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RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - Ken_Repeaterman - 24-06-2019
I agree that zweihander is useless without iron song and legacy. In the house attack no lock hammer for zweihander and Bidenhander not as good as when it was. Why are there still moments in my memories when guys threw AGS and VGS and preferred Bidenhander because it surpassed them in characteristics? But there's something wrong with him now. Apparently this is the effect of Mandela. In any case, the team gets more benefit from Juggernaut or thrower than from zweihander. He's just superfluous at this celebration of life
By analogy with other heroes Power strike Zweihander should not be 8, and should be 10. This character deals damage. Damag is his name. He must have his place in this game. But now his place was taken by others. Even those pesky, ubiquitous assassin archers cut in his place. As if Assassin's Creed wasn't enough. Archers zweihanders is just a shame of this game, I can not look at it without tears and Facepalm.
RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - Coconut - 24-06-2019
Lets see
Naval + Mara
Swing Damage 69c
Length 154
Speed 99
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Legacy + Zwei
Swing Damage 71c
Length 145
Speed 101
Two handed 240
Power strike 8
A Mara with Naval has 2 less speed, 2 less cut and 15 less power strike than a Zwei with Legacy
The only thing Mara has would have is 9 more length. less armour and no infantry bonus health
RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - Kriegstofu - 24-06-2019
pikeman can deal more damage if in movement (speed bonus), yet slashing being a more or less stationary thing, it is more of a zwei thing.
mara can come back and forth to gain momentum/speed bonus dmg, yet at the same time increases his risk of being exposed/hit be an enemy projectile, while hindering teammates shooting from behinds as well.
zweis also can take hits due to hp bonus more easily
RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - Sharmastyle - 24-06-2019
(24-06-2019, 08:20 PM)Coconut Wrote: Lets see
Naval + Mara
Swing Damage 69c
Length 154
Speed 99
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Legacy + Zwei
Swing Damage 71c
Length 145
Speed 101
Two handed 240
Power strike 8
A Mara with Naval has 2 less speed, 2 less cut and 15 less power strike than a Zwei with Legacy
The only thing Mara has would have is 9 more length. less armour and no infantry bonus health
Mangler + Mara (Best in Slot as is Legacy)
Swing Damage 53p
Thrust Damage 53p
Reach 200
Speed 97
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Way longer reach and you're safe if you stand back. It's just different playstyles. Tank it with good armour or glasscannon and stand back.
Nothing needs to be changed. Quit reeeeeeeeee'ing nerds.
RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - Peleus - 24-06-2019
(24-06-2019, 10:03 PM)Sharmastyle Wrote:but every zwei locked weapon has a 2nd mode which has way more attack frames than mangler. u can stand behind shielder without bouncing but mangler/naval will bounce more likely(24-06-2019, 08:20 PM)Coconut Wrote: Lets see
Naval + Mara
Swing Damage 69c
Length 154
Speed 99
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Legacy + Zwei
Swing Damage 71c
Length 145
Speed 101
Two handed 240
Power strike 8
A Mara with Naval has 2 less speed, 2 less cut and 15 less power strike than a Zwei with Legacy
The only thing Mara has would have is 9 more length. less armour and no infantry bonus health
Mangler + Mara (Best in Slot as is Legacy)
Swing Damage 53p
Thrust Damage 53p
Reach 200
Speed 97
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Way longer reach and you're safe if you stand back. It's just different playstyles. Tank it with good armour or glasscannon and stand back.
Nothing needs to be changed. Quit reeeeeeeeee'ing nerds.
RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - Kriegstofu - 24-06-2019
also you can charge more heroical with zweis, as maras doing that are more likely to get shot anyways (backup shields or green health bar)
RE: Why Zwei Hero Created? - DR. - 25-06-2019
(24-06-2019, 10:12 PM)Peleus Wrote:(24-06-2019, 10:03 PM)Sharmastyle Wrote:but every zwei locked weapon has a 2nd mode which has way more attack frames than mangler. u can stand behind shielder without bouncing but mangler/naval will bounce more likely(24-06-2019, 08:20 PM)Coconut Wrote: Lets see
Naval + Mara
Swing Damage 69c
Length 154
Speed 99
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Legacy + Zwei
Swing Damage 71c
Length 145
Speed 101
Two handed 240
Power strike 8
A Mara with Naval has 2 less speed, 2 less cut and 15 less power strike than a Zwei with Legacy
The only thing Mara has would have is 9 more length. less armour and no infantry bonus health
Mangler + Mara (Best in Slot as is Legacy)
Swing Damage 53p
Thrust Damage 53p
Reach 200
Speed 97
Polearm 225
Power Strike 8
Way longer reach and you're safe if you stand back. It's just different playstyles. Tank it with good armour or glasscannon and stand back.
Nothing needs to be changed. Quit reeeeeeeeee'ing nerds.
Mangler second mode has crashed through at the loss of some speed. It's far more useful vs legacy second mode in my opinion.