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RE: New concept of archers - Ken_Repeaterman - 03-08-2019
(03-08-2019, 07:59 PM)Woody Wrote: An example of the dream bow for ranger for me would be a bow with 2 modes.
Mode 1 would be closer to the stats of stag than typhoon
Mode 2 would be higher damage than typhoon but at the cost of being slower and more important accuracy.
The 2 modes can make some sense given his taking longer to fire to the point accuracy is not longer 100%.
Now me want moreover and for crossbows, too )
RE: New concept of archers - Malong - 04-08-2019
(03-08-2019, 07:59 PM)Woody Wrote: If ranger gets a bow I don't want it to be a bow we already have ingame.
(03-08-2019, 06:44 PM)Malong Wrote: The specialized armour class should not get access to a specialized weapon.
RE: New concept of archers - DR. - 04-08-2019
(03-08-2019, 06:44 PM)Malong Wrote: The specialized armour class should not get access to a specialized weapon.
The specialized weapon class should not get access to a specialized armour.
Ow, wait they do.
RE: New concept of archers - Malong - 04-08-2019
(04-08-2019, 01:50 PM)Woody Wrote:(03-08-2019, 06:44 PM)Malong Wrote: The specialized armour class should not get access to a specialized weapon.
The specialized weapon class should not get access to a specialized armour.
Ow, wait they do.
But there is no basis for comparison because none of those items are better... This new bow would have to be worse, and why would it be accessible to only Ranger and not the others anyway?
(03-08-2019, 07:20 PM)Malong Wrote: Vagabond: Worse than Thanos Legacy.
Tsa: Worse than Leather Overmail.
Imp: Worse than Defender Armour.
pol: Worse than Defender Armour.
zwei helms: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Leg helms: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Royal helm: Worse than Defender Helmet.
RE: New concept of archers - DR. - 04-08-2019
(04-08-2019, 01:56 PM)Malong Wrote: But there is no basis for comparison because none of those items are better... This new bow would have to be worse, and why would it be accessible to only Ranger and not the others anyway?
(03-08-2019, 07:20 PM)Malong Wrote: Vagabond: Worse than Thanos Legacy.
Tsa: Worse than Leather Overmail.
Imp: Worse than Defender Armour.
pol: Worse than Defender Armour.
zwei helms: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Leg helms: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Royal helm: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Vagabond: Ornate / Barbutte
Tsa: Efs
Imp: Gothic / H-plate
pol: Gothic / H-Plate
zwei helms: Gothic vals fearsome knight
Leg helms: Gothic vals fearsome knight
(03-08-2019, 07:59 PM)Woody Wrote: A red ranger bow should be better than ullrs/stag but not as good as tempest/typhoon. Even if the ranger bow had more damage than typhoon that can be balanced through other factors.
RE: New concept of archers - Ken_Repeaterman - 04-08-2019
Logically, a Ranger cannot have a locked bow because he already has health. But! If he should have a bow then this bow should have a special stat corresponding to his class. And be balanced against others
RE: New concept of archers - Malong - 04-08-2019
(04-08-2019, 02:02 PM)Woody Wrote:(04-08-2019, 01:56 PM)Malong Wrote: But there is no basis for comparison because none of those items are better... This new bow would have to be worse, and why would it be accessible to only Ranger and not the others anyway?
(03-08-2019, 07:20 PM)Malong Wrote: Vagabond: Worse than Thanos Legacy.
Tsa: Worse than Leather Overmail.
Imp: Worse than Defender Armour.
pol: Worse than Defender Armour.
zwei helms: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Leg helms: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Royal helm: Worse than Defender Helmet.
Vagabond: Ornate / Barbutte
Tsa: Efs
Imp: Gothic / H-plate
pol: Gothic / H-Plate
zwei helms: Gothic vals fearsome knight
Leg helms: Gothic vals fearsome knight
(03-08-2019, 07:20 PM)Malong Wrote: Your examples show class locked pieces that have worse armour than its respective armour specialist's best-in-slot option
RE: New concept of archers - DR. - 04-08-2019
If you don't understand that's ok. I've said what I've needed to.
Btw my idea is not new so I may as well post this.
Terath Wrote:A bow with two modes doesn't necessarily make sense, but I'm not.. totally against it? I always wanted to make some huge, really slow bows for Ranger, but they would have to do more damage than Warden, which is alright with me since more damage is not more DPS. My issue is that it would just become a crossbow at some point. Dunno what the alternate mode could be.
RE: New concept of archers - Malong - 04-08-2019
(04-08-2019, 03:46 PM)Woody Wrote: If you don't understand that's ok. I've said what I've needed to.
The classic "I'm right, despite your proof showing that these are different situations altogether."
You also never answered this:
(04-08-2019, 01:56 PM)Malong Wrote: [W]hy would it be accessible to only Ranger and not the others anyway?
(04-08-2019, 03:46 PM)Woody Wrote:Terath Wrote:A bow with two modes doesn't necessarily make sense, but I'm not.. totally against it? I always wanted to make some huge, really slow bows for Ranger, but they would have to do more damage than Warden, which is alright with me since more damage is not more DPS. My issue is that it would just become a crossbow at some point. Dunno what the alternate mode could be.
Not that it doesn't exist, but it's strange that forum search can't find the content of that quote.
RE: New concept of archers - Ken_Repeaterman - 04-08-2019
Terath Wrote:A bow with two modes doesn't necessarily make sense, but I'm not.. totally against it? I always wanted to make some huge, really slow bows for Ranger, but they would have to do more damage than Warden, which is alright with me since more damage is not more DPS. My issue is that it would just become a crossbow at some point. Dunno what the alternate mode could be.
No, the bow requires the shooter to the constant tension of the string. Crossbow can be worn the whole game charged and so never fired.