(03-02-2015, 03:50 PM)Maroon link Wrote: If you don't like these discussions, you might as well not take part in them at all, instead of spewing over what others say, Niezdara.

(03-02-2015, 02:44 PM)Sargent Q link Wrote: My own opinion is that Legionnaire, Sentinel and Aventurier should get access to the best armor's for their class.  Not Royal Guard, Pavise Champion, and Ranger.

(03-02-2015, 03:57 PM)Looter link Wrote: Personally, though I do not have a legionnaire[or any hero class], I seen enough of them to say this. Legionaire is better equipped to be a more versatile both inside and other the cades, as it can brawl with the nords pretty easily outside the cades, then retreat to cades to either throw, slash [as well as a commando], or backup shield. It has more options and isn't trapped to doing nothing besides healing [even then someone else may already be doing it] or standing around. If you want to fill in multiple roles as needed the legion is best equipped for this in my opinion.

Anyway, some additional light armors wouldn't be harmful.

Edited some words, damm autocorrect

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(03-02-2015, 10:16 AM)Woodz link Wrote: quote author=Bobo link=topic=39211.msg218760#msg218760 date=1422954647]
[quote author=Elmo link=topic=39211.msg218709#msg218709 date=1422915949]
how about banded mail armour with cross colours like this...

Maybe Red + blue/black to stick with the Swadian colours or maybe  a slightly darker Swadian symbol on the top right part of the chest piece?

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https://imgur.com/jW78otX

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Real nice one, Elmo, gj.

However, I'd love to see a decent heraldic. I do feel we're missing heraldic armours for commando. There is the Heraldic mail (50) and Heraldic Trans (72), the later crazy expensive for a tiny +2 update over regular Trans.

For non-heraldic in between we have: 60 strong marketplace armours (fantastic value for money) and Swadian Heavy Lamellar / Striped 68 strong, still very affordable. Then the price goes high for Trans.

So if we're talking about a Lagionnaire dedidcated armour, I do think it should be Trans level in strength and cheaper or similar cost and a bit stronger (72 perhaps). Like mentioned above, I'd like to see it heraldic.

As for original idea from Woodz, I am not sure if a dedicated Legionnaire armour should be light (means also weak, since making it strong and light looks off-balance to me). Surely, it could make Legio able to kite perhaps, but I have 2 remarks on that:

1. if a Legio should drop everything except throwing weapon and go kite, then we already have a perfect kiter - MP. I do not feel we need an infantry substitute...
2. what is so fine about Legio is that this is a very versatile character: can fight in melee with high success (if equipped with a decent 1H), can shield well (if equipped with a decent shield), can throw if behind cades and not shielding... If also brings good support item, Legio is very helpful for the team in a variety of ways. Why try to reprofile it? Job for infantry is just to stand ground IMHO.

PS.  please, do correct if I missed some armour options.
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ok 1st thing like i said it a "option to trans" so meaning if you don't like this armor don't get it not hard is it

2nd yes it will be not as good as trans but well i don't need 70+10 armor for normal and when i say that like 1-17 waves

3rd i don't think this is going to change the game at all as it will just make a armor that i and others can wear it not like it changing the Stats of Legionnaire!


4th as for the armor

Trans                                Legionnaire Armor NOT REALY STATS
Weight35                                      Weight22?
Body armor70                                Body armor65?
Leg armor31                                  Leg armor28?
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(03-02-2015, 10:16 AM)Woodz link Wrote: (...) ok 1st thing like i said it a "option to trans" so meaning if you don't like this armor don't get it not hard is it (...)

(03-02-2015, 10:16 AM)Woodz link Wrote: (...) 2nd yes it will be not as good as trans but well i don't need 70+10 armor for normal and when i say that like 1-17 waves (...)

(03-02-2015, 10:16 AM)Woodz link Wrote: (...) 3rd i don't think this is going to change the game at all as it will just make a armor that i and others can wear it not like it changing the Stats of Legionnaire! (...)

(03-02-2015, 02:44 PM)Sargent Q link Wrote: First of all,  Verloren Plate which is Zwiehander only has the exact same stats as the Halfplate and Heraldic trans except, it is 5 lighter.  Given that,  It would make sense for the legionnaire armor to have simaller stats and crafting cost.  Or you could go with Imperial which has 1 more body armor than defender does.

Secondly,  Why on earth do the shielding classes get the best armor?  Why isn't it the One handed classes which are designed for fighting up close in melee?  Shielders are designed to stand there with their shield up, only moving forward with the rest of the commandos at the end of the wave.

My own opinion is that Legionnaire, Sentinel and Aventurier should get access to the best armor's for their class.  Not Royal Guard, Pavise Champion, and Ranger.  Not saying that they should not get their own armor.  But it makes more sense to me for the ones who are supposed to get up close in melee to have the best armor.

(03-02-2015, 08:02 PM)Bobo link Wrote: [quote author=Looter
PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend

(03-02-2015, 09:17 PM)Woodz link Wrote: [quote author=Bobo link=topic=39211.msg218827#msg218827 date=1422993726]
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PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend

(03-02-2015, 09:43 PM)Bobo link Wrote: [quote author=Woodz link=topic=39211.msg218843#msg218843 date=1422998224]
[quote author=Bobo link=topic=39211.msg218827#msg218827 date=1422993726]
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PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend