(03-08-2016, 07:16 AM)Lirania Wrote: Death penalty against crime?

Certainly not.

Why you may ask? Well here is my Opinion about it.

Even used against the worst of the worst,its a way of Revenge, which no constitutional State should consider.


As a way to scare people from commiting crime?
There are no offical Statistics that proof,that an active Death Penalty rule lowered the overall crimerrate.


But there are report of Country having a minor to mayor less crimerate after suspending the Death Penalty.


It also offers not a single way for Criminals to actually improve and not commit any other Crimes.


Also lets take a look at some current Stuff. Turkey.

They want to reintroduce the Death Penalty. Erdogan is quite dictatorial. I´m pretty sure he would have no worries about changing the Death Penalty,so that even minor Thieves have to face it.Which ultimatley would lead into the people getting completley scared.

Let´s also dont forget failed Death penaltys leading into hours of pain for the Criminal.
Or the poor people getting killed due to miscarriage of justice.


That´s just my opinion.

(03-08-2016, 07:16 AM)Lirania Wrote: Let´s also dont forget failed Death penaltys leading into hours of pain for the Criminal.
Or the poor people getting killed due to miscarriage of justice.

(03-08-2016, 07:45 AM)Winter Wrote:

(03-08-2016, 07:16 AM)Lirania Wrote: Let´s also dont forget failed Death penaltys leading into hours of pain for the Criminal.
Or the poor people getting killed due to miscarriage of justice.

I am not saying I am for the death penalty or that your opinions are wrong, but I'd like to see citations for some of your arguments.  I'll work backwards because for some reason that works best for me.

The primary procedure nowadays is a single injection of a lethal dose of anesthetic as opposed to the previously popular three shot system I believe you are referring to, in which it was an anesthetic followed by pancuronium bromide as a paralytic, and finally potassium chloride that actually stopped the heart.  In this method, however, it would still not be hours of pain.  To which method are you referring in this portion, and why would we assume that because one method of carrying out the death penalty can be faulty, it is wrong in all forms?

The second part about "poor people" and "miscarriage of justice" is very emotionally charged but has little logical substance.  As far as I am aware, there have not been recent cases in which someone is retroactively proven innocent.  With modern forensic sciences it would be quite hard for someone to be wrongly condemned to the death penalty, especially given that anyone working a "death penalty" case is unlikely to toss it around without solid evidence and the sheer number of appeals mean many people have to unanimously agree that the evidence proves "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the person is guilty.  Then again, this part of the argument is in reference to the US judicial system.  I do not know how your country works or what your history with the death penalty is.

I don't know much about the judicial structure of Turkey, but if a single man can make it so that thieves are executed... well... that sucks, to put it lightly, but it doesn't mean allowing the death penalty in other places for other crimes is wrong.

You are correct in that it does not allow criminals to "improve," but it certainly is effective in making sure they do not commit any more crimes.

There have been many studies on whether or not the death penalty really lowers crime rates.  Some affirm, some deny, so I can't really conclusively weigh in on this point.

The moral side of this argument is infinitely debatable because there is no standard morality.  Such arguments are pointless as every culture has different values, as do the people within those cultures.  One group not supporting the death penalty on grounds of their version of morality does not prove it is immoral.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I do disagree with some of your arguments.

(03-08-2016, 07:16 AM)Lirania Wrote: It also offers not a single way for Criminals to actually improve and not commit any other Crimes...They want to reintroduce the Death Penalty. Erdogan is quite dictatorial. I´m pretty sure he would have no worries about changing the Death Penalty,so that even minor Thieves have to face it.

(03-08-2016, 03:17 PM)Lirania Wrote: First i want to thank you for the way you responded to my rather bad written Opinion,i was kinda in a rush,but lets see if i can answer some of your concerns/questions. Regarding to "failed execution leading to hours of pain" the first thing that comes up in my mind is the failed Execution of "Romell Broom" sentenced to death for raping and killing a 14 year old girl.

The execution failed because they couldn´t find a proper Vene. After 2 hours they stopped the attempted Execution and he left the Room with punctured Venes and swollen Limbs. I assume its quite painful to get "stabbed" over and over with a Syringe.
No clue how they even failed that one. Its an example of a failed Exection.

Broom himself even said "I was screaming in pain,i was crying. I couldnt move my arms due to the various stabs in my arm"

But keep in mind,this happened in the USA and im sitting in germany,and we all know how media´s love to turn around storys to make it more attractive.

(03-08-2016, 03:17 PM)Lirania Wrote: In regards to the "miscarriage of justice" i have Carlos DeLuna as an example,executed 1989 with 27 years. He was accused of murdering "Wanda Lopez" in 1983. After 20 Years it was clear,that he had nothing to do with the death of Wanda Lopez.

(03-08-2016, 04:52 PM)Malong Wrote: (...) I hope he didn't suffer as much as the 14 year old girl he raped and murdered! </sarcasm>
Seriously though, if you want to prevent their suffering, just have them kneel over a mass grave, shoot them in the head, and kick them into the pit. Bang, problem solved (literally). (...)

(03-08-2016, 02:54 PM)Alphaa Wrote: It´s an easy way to get rid of real bad people, mass murderers e.g or terrorists. And I´d rather have those guys dead than sitting in jail somewhere, just so they won´t annoy people anymore that would like to live in peace. Easy.

(03-08-2016, 04:52 PM)Malong Wrote: (...) I hope he didn't suffer as much as the 14 year old girl he raped and murdered! </sarcasm>
Seriously though, if you want to prevent their suffering, just have them kneel over a mass grave, shoot them in the head, and kick them into the pit. Bang, problem solved (literally). (...)

(03-08-2016, 06:06 PM)Lirania Wrote: I just want to make clear,that it was not my intention to protect People raping and killing other humans!