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RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - DR. - 10-02-2025
As someone that was the first to get all 16 heroes coming back to this game, seeing massive hero changes was pretty exciting however, I'm honestly pretty disappointed in the way that RG has been handled in this update but more so the class in general from the start I guess?
It is a class that fundamentally at high investment with upgraded Phoenix Shield is relatively pointless on good teams where extra shield skill isnt necessary.. You could just have 2 or 3 Shields on you and be crazy enough be a little bit active in a game (shocking)
It is a hero that fundamentally incentivizes sitting there and doing fuck all for lack of better words... In optimal gameplay yea a shielder goes out and makes the ranged into melee and brings them in but they dont really have a massive Incentive to do that because it risks death and its not like they can kill things fast in combat vs any other heroes
I was the 1st to get upgraded defender and as I've said from the start of that class you don't need as good of a shield if your body is the shield itself. Zwei atm at high Investment simply outclasses Rg In vast majority of cases... Legionnaire is its own problem child that arguably could be the best class in the game, but given its Winters child I don't think any one can suggest anything otherwise.
I think it would be more beneficial rather than increasing the shield skill to 12 keeping it at 10 maybe 11 then buffing 1h/2h skill? Like it doesnt have the armour Zwei has at this point and it doesnt have the throwing Legionnaire has so I think it would be pretty interesting if 1h/2h was like 2nd/3rd best in the game? This incentivizes the class to be a little bit more active and can actually help the team slashing if they have too many Rgs
This is where I'm going to suggest something that may split players a bit where I own gear that would be buffed? changed? where my personal biases may come in I am fully admitting that now.
If you follow my line of thought would be very interesting if bastard weapons were locked to Rg? Like the weapons themselves have always been very useful on your Rg allowing you to bring in a weapon that acts as both while you bring in 2 shields? Them having a unique 2nd mode is very fitting with 1 hero locked weapons as well
Aurora Blade I think is in a relatively good spot fastest 2h other then Pride but less damage then Legacy and 1h its like very unique/powerful on cav
Like I own upgraded ironsong I still think that should be the best for at the cades behind an Rg doing high damage. Think it would be Interesting and fun If Mjolnir what specialized in knockdown? It kind of does have a fitting name after all? This makes it more ideal for an Rg trying to corner a boss doing his job rather then atm
"I do nothing. Im afk. I help team this way. Just dont tell my team I could be replaced with a cade."
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - Chaos Laicosin - 10-02-2025
I'd argue that the RG-cade is more useful than an RG because you can see its health bar and know exactly when it's gonna fall...
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - DR. - 10-02-2025
(10-02-2025, 07:14 AM)Chaos Laicosin Wrote: I'd argue that the RG-cade is more useful than an RG because you can see its health bar and know exactly when it's gonna fall...
It's always been the case a cade you can depend on as it's reliable
A person at best isn't and at worse a complete negative to the team
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - Chaos Laicosin - 10-02-2025
A though for that "something else" would be to add a shield bash ability if possible. Something that could stagger an opponent but doesn't interrupt movement and guard like a kick does.
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - DR. - 10-02-2025
(10-02-2025, 08:10 AM)Chaos Laicosin Wrote: A though for that "something else" would be to add a shield bash ability if possible. Something that could stagger an opponent but doesn't interrupt movement and guard like a kick does.
That's been suggested I think at one point my suggestion was the easiest thing with the smallest amount of work to bring life to such a such a dull class with basically no personality
I would be for what you are suggesting just think it's a lot less likely to happen
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - iMarc7 - 10-02-2025
(10-02-2025, 08:10 AM)Chaos Laicosin Wrote: A though for that "something else" would be to add a shield bash ability if possible. Something that could stagger an opponent but doesn't interrupt movement and guard like a kick does.
I like that!
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - BlackSniper - 10-02-2025
I switched my RG to Zwei long ago (5-7 years ago I think) because it was simply too boring to just stand there, hold right mouse button and then wait. In the worst case scenario you even get marked as AFK for doing your job because you stand still and shouldn't do any damage unless you risk dying.
I do recall the times we actually had to use 2 (sometimes even 3) shields in the boss waves, but due to all legendary stuff and shield buffs you can usually do everything on 1 shield which I think has killed the stress of a shielder going down.
At the same time during the public runs I dislike having a RG, because often they start slashing mid wave which sometimes get them killed which can really cause issues to the team. The cades are much more reliable in that case, but lack the durabilty compared to a RG + cade setup.
I think the RG could use a little bit more love, but I don't see how it could be improved without either changing the AFK mechanic for shielders (which can be abused easily) and changing the durability or amount of cades so you depend more on shielders.
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - Corrndog - 10-02-2025
Make RG a walking war banner, boosting allies speed, damage, health or whatever. This way it could become real support class and make gameplay more dynamic.
Bash is cool idea but i don't think it changes the original problem.
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - Hamsterino - 10-02-2025
so first of all, the 12 shield skill is OP, no doubt. however, I enjoy it very much, since I can cosplay as a queen's guard with a knightly heater shield and am still able to shield, if I have to. now, I don't think RG as a class needs any changes. just standing there without doing anything at all is what its intended purpose is I guess (?). that doesn't mean you're forced to just stand there without doing anything at all. RG's got 55 less 2h skill than zwei and 35 less than sentry; 40 less 1h skill than legio. what I want to show is that it might not be the most optimal class to use 1h/2h, but it's far from being weak or bad (like legio or ranger shielding). I believe a class isn't inherently boring, it's about how you play it and make use of its stats/items. saying you should respec to zwei if you want to use 2h is like saying every sentry/sentinel should respec to warden if they want to use a bow. also, saying an RG should only ever shield because that's its speciality is like saying an MP should never use a pike, because it specializes in throwing. so, ever since jean did ashes on RG, I'm convinced it's always about how you play it, not necessarily the stats. also, a durendal/mercy or byrllysg/mortifer aren't bad weapons; even though they're not the best in their category, you can still make up for that small difference with skill.
RE: RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless. - DR. - 10-02-2025
(10-02-2025, 10:13 AM)Hamsterino Wrote: you can still make up for that small difference with skill.
I completely agree with this however I would argue if you're putting more skill into the game and have the equipment to support you (Its very possible with worse gear it puts Rg as a more balanced classes vs the other 2)
Rg in Its current state doesn't reward you as much as the other 2 infantry heroes. Zwei and Leg skill cap is higher.
All shields work the same its just a matter of how long they last so the inherent bonus of picking Rg can be completely negated by being active/switching shields/repairing shields. A Shield of Kings has Inherently the same "power" as Phoenix Shield the only benefit is lasting a bit longer so if you dont need the longer part whats the point?
Genuine question when was the last time you saw a Shield of Kings break on an active Rg with a good team?