Community Manager?

[Slayer]

[quote author=Slayer link=topic=24480.msg171435#msg171435 date=1395646117]
[quote author=Buttercup link=topic=24480.msg171433#msg171433 date=1395642040]
This is all just a observation, so please don't try to tear me a new one. I understand that my opinion will be debated, so just try to be respectful, and not make me look like a fool.

Might it be that your all afraid of Hande? I would go as far as to say im even afraid of him. The guy is a stone cold killer. You should see him on WoT. he shows no remorse, but i also have to add that whenever i ask for help, say something stupid(often), or ask a stupid question he answers politely or just laughs( in text form of course). The man LIVES for this game and the community, and for that reason, i think that is why he has had the tittle of Community Manager for so long; he just belongs there. I'm not saying that he should never be promoted to a higher position either. GOD forbid Hyper ever leaves, Hande will definitely be able to run the community and the Mod after the in sewing shit storm that follows Hypers leave. I will admit that when Hande( and even hyper) give short answers and no followup info unless you ask, it does put on a mask of anger or discontent, but you just have to look past. play more games with him, talk to him more, and give the man some props for putting up with our shit since day 1, and that is why Hande, you get my gratitude and respect for your endless support of this mod. Hyper, you just get a  high five.

You've bonded with Hande through World of Tanks. Not NI. Should be the other way around.
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Really Slayer? Really? Diamond puts a shitload of text here, even says "This is all just a observation, so please don't try to tear me a new one. " - and you just ignore 99% of what he just said and complain about them playing WoT together? man what the hell!

It's just funny how suddenly everyone has a huge problem with hande - and has super-duber ideas how a community manager should do his job. Are you gonna tell Yuri how do fix map next time? Or tell Kip how do fix glitches on the website?
The Devs always deserve more probs than they actually get, and ffs they do it in there goddamn free time, they don't get money for it. What is needed is encouragment and requests and of course critique.
And mostly important: this community doesn't need a special policemen to tell kiddies how to behave on the internet. or a parent for every underage player on NI to teach them how to treat others.

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I didn't ignore 99% of what he's saying. He says he's bonded with Hande, Hande listens to him and things he says, and the way they first started communicating was world of tanks, what more was said beside he cares a lot for the community which is obvious.

You are missing the point mate, we aren't critiquing Hande, look at my above posts, he's good at the things he does, he's excellent, he's amazing, but he's not what a "Community Manager' is. My above posts describe the situation entirely.

You guys really need to stop thinking that we are harassing Hande because we aren't. We're simply saying he doesn't do the roles of a Community Manager, however the roles he does do is superb, such as, which i've already said, Developing the mod, fixing bugs/maps, responding to Emails/PM's sent to the administrator account (According to hyper). The rest is null which is the community manager's job.

Yes, he is working for free, yes, he loves the mod, no, we are not saying he is shit at what he does. I repeat, we are simply saying that he does not fill the role of COMMUNITY MANAGER. Everything else he does is excellent and we would obviously be fucked if he left.

Just another thing, I re-read your last paragraph and you really don't understand what a Community Manager is, I suggest you do some research.

Maybe you guys should put in the effort to talk to Hande. He is often in the CC channel or at weekly events.
To what Weinèr said: Hande is more then just active, he is busy. He has a lot more on his plates them most of us do.

From my 2 years of playing and 2000 hours + spent in the mod and over 1400 hours in the NI Teamspeak, not once have I seen Hande join a channel and SPEAK to players. I've only seen him Join the Teamspeak Server and either go into the AFK Channel, or into his Dark Cave thing with his Finnish friends.

1) You can't join his Dark Cave
2) You can't get in unless you speak Finnish and Hande likes you
3) You can't speak in AFK
4) You don't even know if he's in the Dark Cave because it never shows up meaning you can't message him
5) Hande has this reputation of "The man who never speaks" - Because he doesn't speak to other people other than his        Finnish friends and the Developers.

Again, not bashing on Hande, just saying, AGAIN, these are NOT the traits of a Community Manager.