Ullr's Bane (and Other Legendary Bows)

[Winter]

Due to some complaints about the current legendary bow progression, primarily regarding this bow, I have come up with some alternatives.

Current:
Fiendish Bow:  spd_rtng(86) | shoot_speed(54) | accuracy(110) | thrust_damage(36, pierce)
Ullr's Bane:     spd_rtng(87) | shoot_speed(55) | accuracy(115) | thrust_damage(38, pierce)
Tempest:       spd_rtng(88) | shoot_speed(56) | accuracy(120) | thrust_damage(40, pierce)

Alternative 1:
Fiendish Bow:  spd_rtng(85) | shoot_speed(54) | accuracy(110) | thrust_damage(37, pierce)
Ullr's Bane:     spd_rtng(85) | shoot_speed(55) | accuracy(115) | thrust_damage(40, pierce)
Tempest:       spd_rtng(88) | shoot_speed(56) | accuracy(120) | thrust_damage(40, pierce)

Alternative 2:
Fiendish Bow:  spd_rtng(88) | shoot_speed(54) | accuracy(110) | thrust_damage(34, pierce)
Ullr's Bane:     spd_rtng(88) | shoot_speed(55) | accuracy(115) | thrust_damage(37, pierce)
Tempest:       spd_rtng(88) | shoot_speed(56) | accuracy(120) | thrust_damage(40, pierce)

Damage type bows for comparison:
Hurricane:  spd_rtng(82) | shoot_speed(58) | accuracy(110) | thrust_damage(40, pierce)
Stag Bow:  spd_rtng(82) | shoot_speed(60) | accuracy(115) | thrust_damage(43, pierce)
Typhoon:   spd_rtng(82) | shoot_speed(62) | accuracy(120) | thrust_damage(46, pierce)

Please vote for one of these options or suggest your own below with a full progression and explanation.  Posts with insufficient explanation or stat comparisons will be ignored.

[Black_Kitten*]

if Vaslsgrage helmet it is "a symbol" for NordInvasion then Urlls its same symbol but bow and Urlls have best texture model NoTyphoon, no Tempest... alternative 1 better for me

[Lone_Wolf_PL]

Alternative 3:

Speed type bows	Speed Rating	Shoot Speed	Accuracy	Thrust Damage
Fiendish Bow	86	54	110	37(+1)
Ullr's Bane	87	55	115	39(+1)
Tempest	88	56	120	41(+1)

Damage type bows	Speed Rating	Shoot Speed	Accuracy	Thrust Damage
Hurricane	84(+2)	58	110	39(-1)
Stag Bow	83(+1)	60	115	42(-1)
Typhoon	82	62	120	45(-1)

Explanation:

Make the gap between Speed and Damage type bows smaller. In most scenarios the value of the bow is measured by the bow's damage and then by it's speed. There is no point in having a legendary bow that you can't kill a bot on normal in the chest with. Add +1 to every speed bow and -1 to every dmg bow. Also make the speed of dmg bows different as with greater power should come lower speed.

Alternative 4:

Simply replace Hurricane and Ullr's Bane, make Hurricane the one concentrated on speed and Ullr's Bane on damage as it has always been. That's probably the main thing people didn't like in the bows' update that Ullr's Bane became weaker than Hurricane and it was vice versa from the begining.

[Narko]

i will choice alternative 3 of lone wolf

[Lophorius]

just skip fiendish and ullrs and get a huntress )))

[DR.]

I would like a test to be done if some dev has time as I always seen higher speed bows to be higher dps as it should be but may as well prove it with stats.

So a test being h-bow vs f-bow on prince and see who kills 1st? The faster bows should have the advantage here as higher damage bows have the advantage of being able to 1-2 shot things.



Maybe this test would show if one of the groups needs a nerf or a buff? I doubt it but we will see and it should clear up the controversy behind what is better as I hope both have their place.




Maybe then people would want the 88speed and maybe be asking for more... 

[Winter]

In most scenarios the value of the bow is measured by the bow's damage and then by it's speed. There is no point in having a legendary bow that you can't kill a bot on normal in the chest with.

Is there a bot on Normal mode in particular that you would like tested, or are you being hyperbolic?

It is always interesting to reflect on how the community's opinions on stats changes over time.  At various times it used to be the fast bows (Fiendish and Tempest) that were considered OP compared to their counterparts.  I'd rather not change stats to reflect every time a portion of the community changes their opinions and instead have a lasting, diplomatic system.  I do not want to outright buff all of the fast bows and nerf the slow bows as you have suggested, but time will be taken to test the exact DPS and bot damage threshholds using the various alternatives.  This will be taken into account when viewing the results of this poll.

[Lophorius]

make fiendish 88 speed and 37p, so its not an obsolete legendary.