Worm bane

[Coconut]

So the only people upset about what color an item is are trying to achieve a full red set. That's like .1% of the game population lol

[DR.]

So the only people upset about what color an item is are trying to achieve a full red set. That's like .1% of the game population lol

People that have ek would be what 1% of the game population ? lol

[Winter]

So the only people upset about what color an item is are trying to achieve a full red set. That's like .1% of the game population lol

People that have ek would be what 1% of the game population ? lol

You're right, only people that own an item should have a say in what its stats and color are.

Wait a second....

[DragonFire1]

Once upon a time ab and worm were just about the same in stats.

If it is still usable by all why is it even orange and not pink.

Most people have it because its the best 2h for sniper and buy it after or the same time as geeting a red bow.

If it the comando on it holding it back take it of and give it a buff i would say 9/10

-The Aurora Blade had +5 cut from the wormbane. Additionally the wormbane is a legendary and not a novelty item so its orange

-I highly doubt most people that play on archer have an EK let alone given the choice use it in place of a legendary one handed weapon which is where archer melee weapon proficiency is placed

- As Winter said giving the EK +9 or 10 cut and locking it to sniper would be ridiculous making it better than infantry slashing weapons that doesnt make sence

[DR.]

"If it is still usable by all why is it even orange and not pink." - More of a joke if any thing as it usable by all and not locked to Tr4.

Once upon a time the Valsgarde was usable by Sharpshooter, the Legacy was worse than all the other 2h legendary swords, and the Resurrection Tome had infinite uses and didn't spawn Wraiths.  Things change, and calls to the past will never be a proper foundation for an argument.

Was more pointing out to Narvad that Cid may have a point that if it went to stats almost the same as ab more people would understand vs other stuff getting buffs.

You and the people you know do not constitute most people.  I also have sincere doubts that most people can afford to buy two high class red legendary weapons at the same time without having inherited a house's armory or being incredibly lucky with loots and trades.  I promise you that there are many people that would love to have an EK on their commando and it is not only used as a Sniper weapon.

Well some people
putting all wealth into 1-2 classes then do big trades for other sets
joining up with others
get gear gifted or buy with them $cash$
...

"EK on their commando" May as well get a Ab for Cav now and save some cash seeing how atm it alot cheeper

People seem unhappy with the idea of removing items from being usable across their classes, as evidenced by recent patches.  I'd rather avoid it when at all possible.  I also mean this in the nicest, most respectful way possible, but have you fully thought out your idea before posting? A buff of 9/10 would make the EK far outclass every other 2h sword in the game, an odd decision for an item you want locked to Snipers, the class tied for the lowest power strike and 2h WPF.  I'm glad Disco was consulted, as an even higher number would have been more out of place.

At this point the Worm Bane is meant to be the one low class legendary that everyone can use.  If everyone truly wants this to change, it will be done, but I have yet to see evidence that this is the majority opinion.

No idea were i have even said +9 or 10c. When my point was 9 Out of 10 are on Id for the usable by sniper not Inf.
People that would be on my side. 
[spoiler="List of People"]
Kaas/Fara
Dom/Rowan
Narko
Anarion/Sandokan/Glaxor/Kako's
Me/Monster/┼₣LΩҞI┼/Matthias
Backfisch
Assassine/Soviet
Tsukiyomi/SK Bank?
Mr Killer/Accurate/CaptOle/HappyMonkey/Mass/Consweber
... and more 
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Can only think of Disco(Cosmic Dolphin Agency 5 people) and maybe 1-2 others that use Ek on Inf but if this change did happen lets say 66c/103sp/sniper could offer them Ab if they did not like the change. 


I have like the idea of more diversity from the start of ni. AB vs EK have just about have always been going the same job... (1/2nd best 2h for sniper and speedy 2h for inf) Why do that.

[Winter]

No idea were i have even said +9 or 10c. When my point was 9 Out of 10 are on Id for the usable by sniper not Inf.
People that would be on my side.

I have like the idea of more diversity from the start of ni. AB vs EK have just about have always been going the same job... (1/2nd best 2h for sniper and speedy 2h for inf) Why do that.

I believe the first misunderstanding could be solved with better grammar.

If it the comando on it holding it back take it of and give it a buff i would say 9/10 (blaming disco could of been more) ek are on snipers not both.

It appears as if you are saying if the Commando class is holding it back, take it away from them and give it a buff of 9/10, because EK are on Snipers not both.

Please note that the grand majority of player shops cited involve multiple people sharing gear, as you mentioned before. I do not think most people are in a situation in which they share gear with other players and have a total of 20+ legendary items together. I also know for certain that some of the people listed do use their Eastern Katanas on their Commandos at least occasionally, especially when loaning them to friends. You should also ask people their opinions on things before you claim they would agree with you... I have asked some of these people and they say you have never spoken to them about this and they disagree with your proposal. This is what I mean when I say that you can't go around saying most people agree with you.

I do not believe the Aurora Blade and Eastern Katana fill the same role, and if that is your concern I have already stated that the Aurora Blade is queued up for change, so it is not a great comparison to make.

[DR.]

I believe the first misunderstanding could be solved with better grammar. 

Ye reading that back i can see how you can maybe miss read that. Sorry for that.

It appears as if you are saying if the Commando class is holding it back, take it away from them and give it a buff of 9/10, because EK are on Snipers not both.

Once again not 9/10 the buff is up to you.

Please note that the grand majority of player shops cited involve multiple people sharing gear, as you mentioned before.  I do not think most people are in a situation in which they share gear with other players and have a total of 20+ legendary items together.

So even tho you "may" agree that Ek are on most id's for etc.. The thing that holding you back is people that don't have it ?? So.. you want them to have a 2h for Sniper and Inf but it can't be Ab as that is changing... Cant be Ek if it got a change. Buff Worm Bane Ja. Or Ether make a new 2h for ether that role or the role of the best 2h for sniper.

I also know for certain that some of the people listed do use their Eastern Katanas on their Commandos at least occasionally, especially when loaning them to friends.

Loaning ye did not think of that but most on that list including me are selfish and most people on that list have a 2h for Inf.

I do not believe the Aurora Blade and Eastern Katana fill the same role, and if that is your concern I have already stated that the Aurora Blade is queued up for change, so it is not a great comparison to make.

Well 62c 103 speed inf/sniper || 60c 100 speed inf/sniper/xbow 1h/2h ye i do atm

[Winter]

I do not agree that most people that have an EK use it exclusively on their Sniper, no. I am directly opposed to that position, and I am saying that even the people you list are not included under that, and even if they are that is not indicative of every person who has an Eastern Katana or even what is best for the item progression as a whole. People that do not own the item are not holding me back, no. I am not making this change because you have failed to provide any reasoning outside of saying people that you haven't even talked to about this agree with you (which they do not, as I have taken the time to ask some of them) and that people get this item specifically for Sniper, which I have proven to be false.

You are comparing two items, one of which has better stats and less classes that can use it, and the other that is an entirely different type of weapon with worse stats that more people can use. Regardless, if it is already changing why are you using it as a base for a different item to change?

[Kaasovic]

I only use a Pitch Fork or Beer on my Ranger, even though I have an EK. Does this make me different?! The EK is basically a sitting duck in my inventory.

Ps. Make collectibles great again, ups offtopic

[Malong]

People that would be on my side. 
[spoiler="List of People"]
Kaas/Fara
Dom/Rowan
Narko
Anarion/Sandokan/Glaxor/Kako's
Me/Monster/┼₣LΩҞI┼/Matthias
Backfisch
Assassine/Soviet
Tsukiyomi/SK Bank?
Mr Killer/Accurate/CaptOle/HappyMonkey/Mass/Consweber
... and more 
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You listed 23 people "and more." The number of players on NI is 102212.



Even to bring this up to 1% of that figure, you'd need 999 players more (actually 999.12, but I rounded down to give you an easier to reach figure). So can we stop using the "people I know" and other such small sample sizes as reasons? And yes, I know the 102212 is an aggregate of all of the mod's history and they aren't all currently active, but neither are all the players on your list. And at least one pair of names is rumored to be duplicative (Sandokan = Glaxor). If that is true and you didn't know that, then it shows that didn't consult with the people on your list nor are you qualified to represent their desires.

Disclaimer: I really don't care what happens to items, but seeing the "people I know" argument when it is an obvious fallacy has become a recent troubling trend on the forum. Popular demand is not a good reason on its own.