26-11-2013, 01:28 PM
(26-11-2013, 10:53 AM)k4mi link Wrote: I don't want to cut the discussion at this point but some things needs to be cleared out:
First of all about loot chances compared to a 'value' of a player.
This is in theory a good idea. But how would you value the skills, contributions from a player?
Does the one shielder contribute more to the game if he gets more damage then the other shielder next to him ?
Is the healer more valuable if the team gets more damage so he heals more of them ?
Isn't the most valued player the guy who always switches his character / equip to something that would help the entire team instead of playing the char he would like to play ?
There are so many factors for valuing a player and most of them are subjective, so it's impossible to assign a number to it without giving the possibility to abuse the system.
About the moaning: 'Always the leechers and AFK players get the loot'.
[irony] Ofc the system is designed like that. We don't want active people to get the loot -_- [/irony]
If you see leeching players jump to IRC and let the admins do their job. In addition we have a reporting system that can be used.
NI is and will be a grinding game. That means loots will still be random because that is the most equal system you can have ( Same chances for everyone).
The numbers or the chances are obviously not perfect at the moment ( I'd even say they will never be perfect) but we are trying to assign chances that fits to game mode / amount of players / numbers of bots / item needed for crafting.
That includes a massive mathematical preparation before changes will kick in.
Anyway, I am always open for suggestions and discussions but saying: 'Raise legendary drop rate', 'Give me more green drops' or ' I always have bad luck' wont help at all.
Last but not least: Try to focus on your loots / on the loots of the whole server and stop saying 'person X,Y got a legendary and he doesn't deserve it'.
I am sick of reading some post like: 'All the Germans get the loot', 'Only leechers get the loot' or 'Player X always joins Ragnarok games to steal loot from the veterans'.
First of all it's not true, second off it results that people avoiding certain houses or people.
Of course it's your right to avoid someone but I will not allow any public downgrading of players because of their house or nationality.
point one (legendary chances compared to "value" of a player)
perhaps I including others have been looking at this the wrong way. Im sure everyone mature could agree that they're more than happy to see someone who has done their job in the team loot a legendary. But, what we don't want to see is those people that drag the team down loot them. perhaps instead of offering loot chance per valuable player it could be done by loot chance decreased for all NON- helpful players. not entirely sure how this could be calculated but perhaps they could have a lower drop chance for time spent inactive, low amounts of kills. of course there would be a few loop-holes such as what to do with shielders etc but maybe then the shield damage multiplier could come into play?
as for raising the legendary drop rate, that was never the intention of this topic. but, green drops in my opinion could do with a bit of a buff i know im not only speaking for myself (as many others have expressed in this topic) when i say that i feel extremely under-rewarded for my time spent playing this mod. just today i got my first green drop to add to my stats chart in 6 rag runs and 8 hards (excluding sparkles necklaces etc) that to me is a complete troll.