Map vote change

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i believe and feel free to disagree etc but it feels like the devs weren't happy that someone had reached the level where they had become so good at something that they had successfully beaten odin with a method of their own...

Kiting isn't really skillful. It is literally running the same path every wave, turning around, shooting/throwing and running the same path again. Kiting is ridiculously easy since bots are braindead and all of them are slower than you. When you get a map in which you can do full circles and test it a few times to learn how to get bots following you in proper pattern, you can solo anything.

I think the anti kiting stance the devs take only helps destroy the mod, but ha ho thats life.  Sometimes the servers are very quiet so a player has no choice other than kiting.  What harm does it do to the mod to have a few kiting maps?  I loved handes retreat when first released, had some great runs kiting with 3-4 players, same on first defense had great runs on that map too, imo kiting offers something different to the mod which the Devs fail to see? 

Skill required to kite properly is about the same level of slashing in shieldwall (quite low), rewards are far greater and once you get a kiting map rag/hard servers won't be played on any other map.

Also the time factor of playing Ragnarok would greatly be reduced if a lot of ranged bots were removed, not only would this speed things up, it would also make playing commando less boring imo.  And do ranged units make it harder?  Its not hard for a skilled player to wipe a whole ranged wave solo is it?

True, pub ragnarok runs take ages to finish, mainly because of insane numbers of superstrong ranged units. Ranged units would make things harder if they could actually fire on players, instead on all maps which are played on hard/rag, ranged bots get stuck somewhere and wait patiently to get slaughtered by people peek-shooting. Currently they do not increase difficulty, only time needed to finish the map.