30-03-2014, 12:49 PM
the tone on this thread seems to be focused on which is the harder of the only two play styles we have left in NI (kitting and shielding). the latter we can all admit requiring less skill but albeit more coordination. I have been through the developer interviews and in my interpretation it would seem they want teams to be more mobile rather and that the static shield wall with cades was only meant to be temporary. these new maps are not in keeping with mobility, the cade spots given are extremely static and simple to spot requiring little to no skill in order to setup and click you mouse to the final boss. kitting on the other hand is the closest thing we have to what i interpret the devs ideological play style. before people run in and argue till the sun goes down that kitting is a selfish means to get ahead that goes against the developers ideas on teamwork, well i say bullshit.
I've seen and been in teams of 16 players all kitting together on the old first defence. that was back in the day when you saw 2-3 people kitting the map and knew that you could join and get somewhere with a bit of skill. this was the same for many other people as the servers often filled within 5 minutes. it didn't matter what class you played, first defence could catter to all ranging from the following:
1) a moving shield-wall that could cover the damage dealers in the team as well as bottlenecking nords in certain areas allowing distance between set damage dealers and the nords.
2) mobility, first defence was the prime example of a mobile map. there was a reason why so few cades were needed on that map, because, if the cades did fall (and 70 percent of the time they did) then your team could simply move to the next spot, moving around the map picking of nords slowly at a time.
3) lastly and most importantly, first defence provided a place to test your own abilities against the nord invasion. those who prefer the comfort of themselves while gaming, or simply could not find a server with people on it (which is often the case for some people living in certain time zones) could simply kite away. no it wasn't easy and it did require a great deal of skill and high tier equipment to get far on your own and i know of only a couple that fill those requirements.
first defence was the perfect map...until it was griefed.
we can see here that kitting is NOT the demon worship that people are making it out to be, but, rather, is just another play-style that people enjoy. click has touched on this earlier and i am inclined to agree that having diversity in the mod is extremely important in holding peoples interest and thus increasing the mod's playability.
some will argue that having maps such as first defence ruined other maps as they always get passed up or never played. to you mappers I say, take it upon yourselves to create even better and more enjoyable maps to rival rather than ruining the work of others so as to FORCE people to play your maps. this is not good sport... there are some instances where maps do get boring but ruining the old maps solves nothing.
kitting is the reason some people play this mod, to force them to play your way is not what gaming is about. I say let people choose how they wan't to play and do your best to accommodate all interests rather than sitting maliciously biased in favour of one play style that is not the enjoyment of all.
p.s. adding a pol to this topic wouldn't be all that bad
I've seen and been in teams of 16 players all kitting together on the old first defence. that was back in the day when you saw 2-3 people kitting the map and knew that you could join and get somewhere with a bit of skill. this was the same for many other people as the servers often filled within 5 minutes. it didn't matter what class you played, first defence could catter to all ranging from the following:
1) a moving shield-wall that could cover the damage dealers in the team as well as bottlenecking nords in certain areas allowing distance between set damage dealers and the nords.
2) mobility, first defence was the prime example of a mobile map. there was a reason why so few cades were needed on that map, because, if the cades did fall (and 70 percent of the time they did) then your team could simply move to the next spot, moving around the map picking of nords slowly at a time.
3) lastly and most importantly, first defence provided a place to test your own abilities against the nord invasion. those who prefer the comfort of themselves while gaming, or simply could not find a server with people on it (which is often the case for some people living in certain time zones) could simply kite away. no it wasn't easy and it did require a great deal of skill and high tier equipment to get far on your own and i know of only a couple that fill those requirements.
first defence was the perfect map...until it was griefed.
we can see here that kitting is NOT the demon worship that people are making it out to be, but, rather, is just another play-style that people enjoy. click has touched on this earlier and i am inclined to agree that having diversity in the mod is extremely important in holding peoples interest and thus increasing the mod's playability.
some will argue that having maps such as first defence ruined other maps as they always get passed up or never played. to you mappers I say, take it upon yourselves to create even better and more enjoyable maps to rival rather than ruining the work of others so as to FORCE people to play your maps. this is not good sport... there are some instances where maps do get boring but ruining the old maps solves nothing.
kitting is the reason some people play this mod, to force them to play your way is not what gaming is about. I say let people choose how they wan't to play and do your best to accommodate all interests rather than sitting maliciously biased in favour of one play style that is not the enjoyment of all.
p.s. adding a pol to this topic wouldn't be all that bad