31-07-2014, 07:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 31-07-2014, 07:47 PM by clickeverywhere.)
Thank you for making this topic= Slayer. I've suggested the same thing before and my position remains the same.
As for Cryptic's objections,
If everyone were bringing in proper support, then we could choose who stayed alive rather than having to rely on the poor people/low levels/greedy/afk players who don't own support items to kill last or do the toming. That's also often the cause of wipes: poor team-players are left alive (since they bring nothing worth dying for or are semi-afk) to deal with the last bot or use the tome. They all die to last or a wraith spawns and wipes them because they have the reaction times of a centenarian. If other players brought in the SHC, then the players who would traditionally be dying every respawn/tome wave would not have to die. Crisis averted. And most of the medics you see on servers don't die for gear anyway. They just bring in their med box and drop it on the floor. No worries there.
Try doing Ragnarok with normal barricades + heavy barricades. And it's not as if moving SHC down to T3 support would deter players from bringing in heavy barricades if necessary.
I don't see how that's relevant.
This will serve as an incentive for them to get support earlier.
While we're on the topic= I think the devs should reevaluate the entire engineer progression. They could move normal barricades down to T1 engineer, and heavy barricades to T2 so that SHC can be moved to T3. Wall cades and barrels can remain T4 since they're luxury items. Dep shield x2 should be removed and dep shield x3 should be T1. Also, it'd be nice if small ammo crates were upped to 2 charges while large ammo crates were increased to 5 or something. If you go through a game spawning on every wave with a large ammo crate, you're going to get a total of 15 refills from spawning in large ammo crates. The amounts of assist XP per tier could use a looking at as well. 2500 assist xp at level 7 is huge. It could use some reduction to encourage more support use at earlier levels.
EDIT: And to add to Tsuki's post, I always tell players bringing normal cades to Rag runs to swap to small ammo crates (especially on maps like Swadian Castle). That's how useless normal cades are on Rag. A crappy single use refill is worth more than a cade that's just going to be allowed to despawn.
As for Cryptic's objections,
(31-07-2014, 02:22 PM)Cryptic link Wrote: I would like to point out that if everyone brings in cades to rag. Who is going to stay alive during tomes?
If everyone were bringing in proper support, then we could choose who stayed alive rather than having to rely on the poor people/low levels/greedy/afk players who don't own support items to kill last or do the toming. That's also often the cause of wipes: poor team-players are left alive (since they bring nothing worth dying for or are semi-afk) to deal with the last bot or use the tome. They all die to last or a wraith spawns and wipes them because they have the reaction times of a centenarian. If other players brought in the SHC, then the players who would traditionally be dying every respawn/tome wave would not have to die. Crisis averted. And most of the medics you see on servers don't die for gear anyway. They just bring in their med box and drop it on the floor. No worries there.
(31-07-2014, 02:22 PM)Cryptic link Wrote: Also the idea behind the shc is nice but also not needed as lower tier support items are still useful. Maybe not as much as the shc (no where near) but it is still needed on some maps. Most people don't use the lower tier items granted but it is still nice to have them on occasion.
Try doing Ragnarok with normal barricades + heavy barricades. And it's not as if moving SHC down to T3 support would deter players from bringing in heavy barricades if necessary.
Quote:I would not support this as many players already have tier 4 characters.
I don't see how that's relevant.
(31-07-2014, 02:22 PM)Cryptic link Wrote: To bring in another thing a lot of people don't focus on support until tier 4 from what I have seen I could be wrong saying that but it appears that way to me.
This will serve as an incentive for them to get support earlier.
While we're on the topic= I think the devs should reevaluate the entire engineer progression. They could move normal barricades down to T1 engineer, and heavy barricades to T2 so that SHC can be moved to T3. Wall cades and barrels can remain T4 since they're luxury items. Dep shield x2 should be removed and dep shield x3 should be T1. Also, it'd be nice if small ammo crates were upped to 2 charges while large ammo crates were increased to 5 or something. If you go through a game spawning on every wave with a large ammo crate, you're going to get a total of 15 refills from spawning in large ammo crates. The amounts of assist XP per tier could use a looking at as well. 2500 assist xp at level 7 is huge. It could use some reduction to encourage more support use at earlier levels.
EDIT: And to add to Tsuki's post, I always tell players bringing normal cades to Rag runs to swap to small ammo crates (especially on maps like Swadian Castle). That's how useless normal cades are on Rag. A crappy single use refill is worth more than a cade that's just going to be allowed to despawn.
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