21-12-2014, 01:09 AM
Seems a lot of people are against this idea, but I don't see why even after reading through all the arguments presented. It's not as if giving the halberdier a better range of shields and more shielding skill will imbalance the game. What is it, exactly, that people imagine will happen if such a change occurred? That everyone's going to swap because 9 shielding and access to a slightly better shield will make it overpowered? This change would merely increase the utility of the class.
@Aleks: There is a class with strong slashing ability, strong shielding, and excellent armor. It's called a commando. Does the commandos strong slashing ability make his strong shielding ability useless? No. Not in the least.
As for the argument that "pikeman is an offensive class" so is the crossbowman. Yet we have tier 4 crossbows which have 4 shield skill with access to tower shields. Why add ironflesh, shield skill, and stronger, heavier armor for the special halberdier hero if it's just intended to be offensive? Halberdiers have 7 shielding at the moment.
People also seem to be stuck on the name "halberdier" and the associations that come with it. The names in Nord Invasion don't make sense.
I can foresee people arguing that this will create a class too similar to the legionnaire, but the halberdier still won't have decent one handed skills. The armor is still inferior. Having this kind of overlap benefits players and could possibly alleviate some of the complaints people have had about the class.
I'm not going to say much from a historical perspective because we are talking about a mod based in a fictional continent. Suffice to say, there has definitely been a precedent of skirmishers going into battle with shields.
I probably missed a few points due to how long this thread has gotten. In conclusion, this change seems extremely reasonable to me and it wouldn't hurt me in any way so why go against it? If it does prove to be an issue, the devs are capable of twiddling with the numbers and returning them to their original state.
@Aleks: There is a class with strong slashing ability, strong shielding, and excellent armor. It's called a commando. Does the commandos strong slashing ability make his strong shielding ability useless? No. Not in the least.
As for the argument that "pikeman is an offensive class" so is the crossbowman. Yet we have tier 4 crossbows which have 4 shield skill with access to tower shields. Why add ironflesh, shield skill, and stronger, heavier armor for the special halberdier hero if it's just intended to be offensive? Halberdiers have 7 shielding at the moment.
People also seem to be stuck on the name "halberdier" and the associations that come with it. The names in Nord Invasion don't make sense.
I can foresee people arguing that this will create a class too similar to the legionnaire, but the halberdier still won't have decent one handed skills. The armor is still inferior. Having this kind of overlap benefits players and could possibly alleviate some of the complaints people have had about the class.
I'm not going to say much from a historical perspective because we are talking about a mod based in a fictional continent. Suffice to say, there has definitely been a precedent of skirmishers going into battle with shields.
I probably missed a few points due to how long this thread has gotten. In conclusion, this change seems extremely reasonable to me and it wouldn't hurt me in any way so why go against it? If it does prove to be an issue, the devs are capable of twiddling with the numbers and returning them to their original state.
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