Halberdier Change

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Another person with a less than well thought out argument.  By your own reasoning you say that Halberdier would then outclass Legionnaire with "with better shielding, better throwing, and stronger melee weapons, at the cost of some armor".

Legionnaire       
1H 240
2H 185
PS 8

Halberdier
1H 130
2H 120
PS 7

You have no argument.  Halberdier is a better thrower and they clearly should be and while they outclass the Legionnaire in WPF they only have 1 more Power Throw.  Legionnaire also has access to some of the best armor in the entire game.  Halberdier has access to a crafted with 60 armor. Lol. 60.  They also have access to EFS I believe which is better.

I say lets try it.  It isn't as big a change as people are making it out to be.  I don't understand the blowback and yet it is completely acceptable bar nothing that Pavise can shield with 9 and then step off the line with a Bolt Tosser and 1 shot Rag mode enemies.  That is silly.

I'd appreciate it if you could cut back on the ad hominem somewhat. I said stronger melee weapons, not better melee proficiency. Polearms outclass one handed weapons in almost every situation, you can even use shields with them in some cases, although the polearm itself is pretty useless when you do, and are pretty much tied to two handed weaponry (more damage and reach against speed).

Whether Pavise is too powerful or not is a different debate. The combination of good shielding and shooting is indeed very powerful, and I think it is the strongest Hero class out there. I do not think, however, that simply its existence is a reason for the Halberdier to be buffed to equal levels.

Again, I agree the Halberdier could do with a buff. This would be overdoing it imo.
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So now you feel personally attacked?  I really am not trying to be rude, I'm interested in the debate.  If you feel personally attacked then that's your problem.  I understand that it's hard to understand tone over the internet.  But again, your problem, and maybe this discussion isn't for you.  You are also misapplying the term in my mind because I haven't said a word about anyone personally, only their reasoning and arguments.  That's what a debate is.  I feel like you're being overly sensitive.

In regards to your melee weapon argument I won't even address it because that's even sillier than what I originally understood you to mean.  Durendal > Naval Glaive (Corrected).  Mjolnir > Pike of Kings.  No argument.

I would like to see a Dev weigh in on this.  I'm curious as to what the people who code the mod actually think.  It would also give us some direction to the argument as well.  Is it even worth continuing?