Kiting stuff, keep it here!

[Bobo]

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Teamplay - Got it, love team play.
Kiting - Pretty fun, pretty necessary if your a range player trying to level up on a server with no population.

Trying to look at this from the point of the dev's, I sense that they are trying to solve 2 problems with 1 solution.

Problem 1 - Some players (probably strong) run to the spawn point and drag away the bots to kill them out of range of the remaining players.
End result - no shared loot/assist xp.  Booo  Hisssss!

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Problem 2 - Some players (I will leave the reason to the reader) Like to afk several runs and just do nothing while sucking up assist xp and mats.
End result - The remaining players do all the work and AFKer gets rewarded.  Boooo Hisssss!

Understandable problems to deal with, but what about Problem 3?

Problem 3 - There is nobody online!  I'm trying to level my character and there is no group to join, but I've got X hours to burn and I want to play this mod. 
End result - Hmmm, they play, get pissed off and log out?  They lose interest in the mod and start playing Atilla the Hun? 
I hope it's not that, and I do think there are still a few recent map changes which allow for some very good kiting.

So, would I like to see kiting nurfed?  No, I wouldn't.  I'd like to see people take personal responsibility and participate as a group when more than 1 player is on the server, but I'd also like to be rich, handsome, and well - rich.  Do unto others.... been around a while now.  People still don't get it I guess. 

So yeah, give the dev's a break, cause I think they are dealing with a problem that is not so easy to solve.  What a great mod!  Really, at the end of the bitching and moaning; this is a great mod!  And your human and flexible.  Work with it, you can.

As I do this myself sometimes, I will attempt to explain: player with strong armour combined with high killing ability simply wants the things to go faster on low waves. For hero level characters it is quite boring to wait e.g. fisrt 8 waves on normal. So they (me) go forward to take out those peasants quickly and get to more interesting part of run. I do not think anyone has intention to deprive other players of assist XP.
Solution to this problem: approach within the range of assist XP and possibly give some help against enemies, too.

Spoiler

Teamplay - Got it, love team play.
Kiting - Pretty fun, pretty necessary if your a range player trying to level up on a server with no population.

Trying to look at this from the point of the dev's, I sense that they are trying to solve 2 problems with 1 solution.

Problem 1 - Some players (probably strong) run to the spawn point and drag away the bots to kill them out of range of the remaining players.
End result - no shared loot/assist xp.  Booo  Hisssss!

Problem 2 - Some players (I will leave the reason to the reader) Like to afk several runs and just do nothing while sucking up assist xp and mats.
End result - The remaining players do all the work and AFKer gets rewarded.  Boooo Hisssss!

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Understandable problems to deal with, but what about Problem 3?

Problem 3 - There is nobody online!  I'm trying to level my character and there is no group to join, but I've got X hours to burn and I want to play this mod. 
End result - Hmmm, they play, get pissed off and log out?  They lose interest in the mod and start playing Atilla the Hun? 
I hope it's not that, and I do think there are still a few recent map changes which allow for some very good kiting.

So, would I like to see kiting nurfed?  No, I wouldn't.  I'd like to see people take personal responsibility and participate as a group when more than 1 player is on the server, but I'd also like to be rich, handsome, and well - rich.  Do unto others.... been around a while now.  People still don't get it I guess. 

So yeah, give the dev's a break, cause I think they are dealing with a problem that is not so easy to solve.  What a great mod!  Really, at the end of the bitching and moaning; this is a great mod!  And your human and flexible.  Work with it, you can.

Being AFK and doing nothing to help the team is not ok for sure. I know some hero players sometimes leave low (easy) waves to others, just to avoid what you've forwarded as Problem 1. It's is difficult sometimes to tell the difference and say when it becomes leeching. I do think hero characters do not leech on normal as potential assist xp gain is really small, not to mention most of mats one can get. In case you see someone just standing there and not helping talk to him. If there is no response for a long time go IRC and call admin to kick the AFKer.

Spoiler

Teamplay - Got it, love team play.
Kiting - Pretty fun, pretty necessary if your a range player trying to level up on a server with no population.

Trying to look at this from the point of the dev's, I sense that they are trying to solve 2 problems with 1 solution.

Problem 1 - Some players (probably strong) run to the spawn point and drag away the bots to kill them out of range of the remaining players.
End result - no shared loot/assist xp.  Booo  Hisssss!

Problem 2 - Some players (I will leave the reason to the reader) Like to afk several runs and just do nothing while sucking up assist xp and mats.
End result - The remaining players do all the work and AFKer gets rewarded.  Boooo Hisssss!

Understandable problems to deal with, but what about Problem 3?

Problem 3 - There is nobody online!  I'm trying to level my character and there is no group to join, but I've got X hours to burn and I want to play this mod. 
End result - Hmmm, they play, get pissed off and log out?  They lose interest in the mod and start playing Atilla the Hun? 
I hope it's not that, and I do think there are still a few recent map changes which allow for some very good kiting.

Spoiler

So, would I like to see kiting nurfed?  No, I wouldn't.  I'd like to see people take personal responsibility and participate as a group when more than 1 player is on the server, but I'd also like to be rich, handsome, and well - rich.  Do unto others.... been around a while now.  People still don't get it I guess. 

So yeah, give the dev's a break, cause I think they are dealing with a problem that is not so easy to solve.  What a great mod!  Really, at the end of the bitching and moaning; this is a great mod!  And your human and flexible.  Work with it, you can.

Ah yeah, we're back to the topic. Indeed that is an issue that should be considered when talking about kiting. There are simply parts of the day when there are few players online and if one wants to play he must kite. Especially when one's character is not enginner so one can't bring in cade. And even if one can bring the cade, one cannot replace items if alone on server, so just 1 cade it is. So how do one plays alone from behind cades and how many locations there are on maps where you can cade completely with 1 shc?
Good point, Telemachus.

Spoiler

Teamplay - Got it, love team play.
Kiting - Pretty fun, pretty necessary if your a range player trying to level up on a server with no population.

Trying to look at this from the point of the dev's, I sense that they are trying to solve 2 problems with 1 solution.

Problem 1 - Some players (probably strong) run to the spawn point and drag away the bots to kill them out of range of the remaining players.
End result - no shared loot/assist xp.  Booo  Hisssss!

Problem 2 - Some players (I will leave the reason to the reader) Like to afk several runs and just do nothing while sucking up assist xp and mats.
End result - The remaining players do all the work and AFKer gets rewarded.  Boooo Hisssss!

Understandable problems to deal with, but what about Problem 3?

Problem 3 - There is nobody online!  I'm trying to level my character and there is no group to join, but I've got X hours to burn and I want to play this mod. 
End result - Hmmm, they play, get pissed off and log out?  They lose interest in the mod and start playing Atilla the Hun? 
I hope it's not that, and I do think there are still a few recent map changes which allow for some very good kiting.

So, would I like to see kiting nurfed?  No, I wouldn't.  I'd like to see people take personal responsibility and participate as a group when more than 1 player is on the server, but I'd also like to be rich, handsome, and well - rich.  Do unto others.... been around a while now.  People still don't get it I guess. 

So yeah, give the dev's a break, cause I think they are dealing with a problem that is not so easy to solve. 

What a great mod!  Really, at the end of the bitching and moaning; this is a great mod!  And your human and flexible.  Work with it, you can.

You're the man !