Kiting stuff, keep it here!

[Madjosh]

You're right Winter but, maps like Swadian Overgrown are unkiteable for player under an Equiepment of Ulrs Bane,EK,Full Royal Scale,And Ebony. What i want to say is that players like my friend (SS Bow,Worm Bane) can't kill Royal Assassins anymore.

The gear is not the main issue at hand. kiting for the large part used to come down to skill, and a nice loop to run around. unfortunately, there are scant loops left in this new map update that allow for clear pathing of the bots where they don't bunch up and stay eventually waiting for you to return to them during your kite.

Since the beginning, the maps have always been changing and evolving.  Old spots are blocked off and new ones are made.  The same is true of kiting paths.  This thread was made ages ago (over a full year! :O)

While cade spots have and are always being evolved for the better, you can't argue that this has been the same for kiting paths on the most part. sure, it's been over year, but i can't say that during that year the issues brought in this thread have been addressed. for the most part, it seems like people just got richer, allowing them to kite more effectively on the crippled kitting maps. CTS used to beat heavy huscarls. now the only people i see trying their hand at the art of the kite are people with access to legendary ranged weapons. kiting should be viable for all, not just those with end game equipment.

it is just changing up the maps to keep the game a little more fresh and exciting.  Wouldn't it be boring if a map would be changed to be very easy and then just stay that way forever?  It would kind of defeat the purpose of playing on other maps until they were also made very easy, but then everything would just be very easy.  It makes more sense, in my opinion, to switch up maps and have some easy, some hard, and change the maps and spots every so often.

every one loves seeing new maps, but the changes made this update aren't changes at all. They are obvious nerfs. Swadian old village used to be a decent map that was accepted in the map rotation but never sought out as a fantastic map for any runs. since the addition of a clumsly placed wooden blockade over what was arguably one of the most inventive scene areas in NI's map collection not to mention the ONLY viable cadeing spot on the map, I would guess that it will rarely see any action until changes are made to renege the butchery that has been done to it. on another note, changes to maps are not just the players concern. but also the mappers/scene makers who spend vast amounts of personal hours to creating beautiful maps for NI. i won't mention the hours that a certain mapper put into creating the aforementioned scene on old village, but that was all scrapped when this patch was created. NI does a fantastic job of giving recognition where recognition is due. however, these maps are also the intellectual property of someone who spent hard worked hours into creating something for the community. i think we should all consider the mappers who's hard work is also being affected by such map changes.

winter makes the point of maps changing to add some diversity into the game and keep it from going stale, which is true and i think most if not all can agree upon this fact. however, it would be nice to see some of the classic and loved maps remain the same and changes be made to other areas of the game such as the Nord Troop Tree, which has remained the same for longer than memory serves me. Afterall, some of the most sucessfull games such as call of duty and battlefield have some classic maps, which are never changed and are constantly added into their new titles just because they are so good. and i know that NI has had in the past some great maps worthy of the same honour.

I'm not having a dig at winter infact i agree with most of what he's written, but since he's the only dev that's taken the time to speak his mind on the matter it's only fair we (the NI community) respond with some ideas and thoughts on the subject. afterall it is a community run game and while the devs do most of the work, the community does help out with a large part in other areas aswell so it is only fair that their views be taken into serious consideration rather than being told to nick off and that this isn't the game for you.