21-03-2016, 09:02 PM
(21-03-2016, 08:46 PM)Niezdara Wrote:(21-03-2016, 07:46 PM)Terath Wrote: Edit: Oh, and I did the math. Swadian Hope is currently 1.725 million and the Hero's Hope is 1.450 million. Difference of 275k~300k - quite a lot.
Dang! I was going to leave it but I like to do the math and you intrigued me.
As far as I know the Swadian Hope is 200 hardened metal, 25 lumps, 25 Heavy cloth, 25 sturdy wood. Lets assume that lumps are 40 K and HM is 5K. That would give us 2 mil.
All those house crafted commando swords have the same components- 3 damascus, 12 sulphur, 105 HM, 144 Shade ore, 60 coal, 360 Heavy cloth, 960 rough cloth, 36 chain links, 60 construction tools. Damascus now is worth about the same when he appeared and 1 damascus is equal like 4 lumps. Sulphur has similar price to lump, so 25 lumps is pretty worth the same as 3 damascus and 12 sulphur. Shade ore and coal are worth only little less than HM and 105 HM, 144 ore and 60 coal is worth more then 200 HM.
At this point prices of both become equal and we just have to add that....360 HC, 960 rough cloth, 36 chain links, 60 construction tools to cost of those house craftables. Its like 275k~300k more - quite a lot...
So how did you do your math? Please correct mine.
Anyway it doesn't matter since you explained that items gets buff according to prices that were current long ago ("you can't remember how much more expensive lumps were"). Its quite surprising. I thought that buff is given to items that are too weak compared to current cost. Boy I was so wrong. I can't wait for the bear armor buff - cost of bear fur was insane few years ago.
Oh and about "sword was way worse than the other swords before the buff" please elaborate. I just don't see that. Some one was complaining on a forum?
You generally wasn't rude except that "Don't complain because something you have is worse than something else.". So, you know...don't defend that change solely because you benefit from it
Well, it all depends on how you value things. I used the middle of the road price for materials on the auction hall, and I didn't include anything over 5k - I'm at school and I'm in a rush, so I didn't spend much time on it. We're both just going to end up getting totally different prices for both swords, and I probably left something important out somewhere, but the Swadian Hope used to be worth much more than any of the house crafted swords, and that's the point I was trying to make (even though I posted my version of the new prices for the weapons). If it comes down to it, your math is probably more correct than mine, which is fine by me - but the price years ago made the sword not worth it when the house crafted items rolled along.
Some items don't get edited stats based on their price, they get edited stats based on their higher and lower versions of the weapon. The Swadian Hope was hot shit back in the day, and then the house crafted swords rolled along and were just better than the Swadian Hope in pretty much every way (damage, speed, I guess not length). Even though the Swadian Hope's price determined its 54c in the end, the original stats were because it was a midway 1 hander for commando and nothing else.
And yeah, the sword was worse than the other swords before the Swadian Hope buff. Compare 50c of the Swadian Hope and the 52c of the Hero's Hope, and the Swadian Hope is more expensive. After the buff, Swadian Hope is (generally) more expensive and has the stats to back it up - 54c compared to the 52c of the Hero's Hope. On top of that, people complained about it being worse and more expensive; some people didn't want the weapon to fade into obscurity like the Apsods because of its bad stats and bad price compared to Hero's Hope. (Alternatively, the 500k Vengeance had 49c compared to Swadian Hope's 50c. 1m ~ 1.5m more for 1 cut and length. Worth it?).
I'm not defending the change solely because I benefit from it, I'm defending it because it's what I believe is right. The buff was well deserved in my opinion and not because I own the weapon. I've had both the Hero's Hope and the Swadian Hope. Assuming that I take this stance because I own the weapon and that's it is kind of insulting. I'm sure the same goes for you too, and I was wrong to assume you were defending it because you own it, but I'm defending it because I think it's fine how it is.
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