(16-10-2017, 08:40 PM)Bobo Wrote: @Winter: referring to what you cited I'd say claiming that everyone has his point / opinion about the subject is relevant to the said subject of the best Legio 1h.As a preface, I am paraphrasing your statement "Still, this thread would be damn boring if we wouldn't allow ppl to give their point of view. It would just be simple maths based on stats, so the thread 'what is the best x' would have just one reply and no reason to continue" as "everyone is welcome to their opinion" since it seems you are saying you want people to give their points of view, even if they aren't based on stats and math. Please do tell if that isn't the statement you were trying to make.
Another example if those given previously are not convincing enough: it may be disputable and circumstances dependable if the amount of throwables ammo can be a point of high importance for Legio. In case the said Legio must carry the run and sweep most enemies by himself it may pretty be the winning point. Taking that into consideration VHTA can be found as the best Legio 1h (opinion presented by Kenneth), as it provides Legio with the highest amount of throwables while serving as 1h at the same time. Not the strongest or fastest 1h, not he most powerful throwables, but still most versatile solution.
Another example, pikeman this time: if you stay behind cade best polearm is probably one with long range and lots of piercing damage, like e.g. PoK. If you fight in the open you might do better with something shorter and faster, like Naval. So what is the best polearm? I guess it depends on your favourite play style, skills, etc. Myself I do no good with poking / stabbing weaps, for lack of experience and skill, in result I will not find e.g. Jormungandr any good while someone else would love it.
It is not that clear that stats only and some maths can give the reply to the question, on the contrary IMHO. Perhaps there is no such thing like best weap for everyone. Why bring somebody down for having a different opinion? Atm the voting goes 23 for Excalibur / 20 for DWP / 28 scattered between others.
Which ones of those who voted you find incorrect (or incapable of reading stats and doing mats) and guilty of being flat-earthers with no right to have their opinion in this scientific discussion? Discussion is about ppl giving their opinions. Should for most cases there be one opinion clearly correct while all others clearly incorrect there'd be no room to discuss. Why have the poll then? Computers could do the job. Do we have this forum to discuss or to apply calculations or perhaps simply to agree with those who nominate themselves being always correct by definition?
My point was that people are making ridiculous suggestions using reasons like "I own it" "I don't own it" and "I want to sell it" without regarding actual data as to how useful it is, what situations they find it useful for, etc. much in the same way flat-earthers (and often enough their opponents, funnily enough) make baseless accusations without proper data/reasoning, and you are excusing it with "diversity is our strength." I have a feeling you wouldn't value diversity as much if it came in the form of people using only marketplace items and refusing to bring barricades because they want to bring T1 crossbows because they think those are better. I would hope a post like this would be responded to with reasoning and logic rather than statements of pure opinion. Certainly there are a few posts that do say something along the lines of "DWP is better for armor piercing, but it is too short" (thank you Woody and others in the first 3 pages for actually discussing stats and situations), but a fair number of posts do not , specifically the ones being discussed in the more recent pages. My point here is that a thread full of baseless statements with no real reasoning, evidence, or clarification is pointless and only aids in boosting people's post count, and the argument "everyone is welcome to their opinion" is a poor one when deciding the validity of what has been said. There are valid arguments for different weapons being the best, many of which "if one just looks at stats and thinks abstractly, they can figure it out." I'd like to see more of those.
Example: I own Odin's sword. I think it is utterly useless. Does that add anything useful to the thread?

Edit: forgot about this part - "examples of 'best' being debatable with throwables and polearms" (very paraphrased)
Yes. This is exactly the type of discussion I would like to see, rather than "I own one." It is based in stats, logic, and reasoning, not "everyone is welcome to their opinion." I think you missed the point of me pointing out your logical fallacy. I don't think no one can have opinions, I think it is irrelevant to say everyone is welcome to their opinion when someone else points out poor reasoning.