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Respect for other people and their enjoyment of the game.
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(21-02-2018, 03:32 PM)TerrorBite Wrote: The basis for most corrections and the like which do not involve subjectivity, appear to be for entertainment, self-refinement, and the opportunity for others to learn(1). It is generally perceived as a pseudo altruistic act, but do keep in mind that it is primarily for entertainment.  When people become subjective and negative, their misperception becomes evident, yet it does not mean that there is an argument; it may remain civil and productive.

Getting back on topic, the OP is saying that these 'discussions' are distracting to the rest of the server. People in future discussions will need to consider the trade off of entertainment over consideration for others.
However, this assumes that it is an issue to a significant proportion of people on at the time, yet there is only evidence of two people having an issue with it. Until there is more evidence, a completely theoretical analysis would need to be undertaken to determine the effects of the discussions. Now this becomes quite complex, as there are/were many other factors at play, such as the lack of barrels, cades, and player quality on the server at the time, as well as some people who did invoke subjectivity (which may have been more likely to cause annoyance).

Overall I'd say it's hard to conclude anything solid, but it might be a good idea to keep in mind in the future.
written at 2:30am, regret for pushing the topic will come at 10:30am.

(1)successful discussions may cause more objectivity in those who would otherwise invoke negativity, improving the NI server atmosphere.

OK, I know i said I wasn't going to do this.. but here goes.  I can't just let this pretentious and fallacious argument go without response. Even though I know from very recent experience, seems like just last night, that when I respond to someone who is incapable of seeing things from any perspective but their own or unwilling to admit they did anything wrong, it will simply prolong the "discussion".  wow.. deja vu....

     Your position here is a huge fallacy.  If the discussion were a simple correction, then there would have been the correction and we would have all moved on, no big deal.  But when you spend the next hour or more insisting that the person you corrected admit they were wrong then you have moved well beyond a simple correction.  That is where your argument is fallacious.  It sounds nice and you used lots of big words, but it is still a fallacy.

     Friendly and playful banter on servers is both fun and entertaining as you have stated. But the "banter" or "discussion" last night was anything but friendly or entertaining.  You may think it was from your perspective, but whether you agree or even care, it was certainly not pleasant from my perspective.  And in regards to only myself and one other who actually witnessed the event remarking on it and providing evidence that it was in fact unpleasant for us, I have this to say.  Given the people involved and their personalities, I suspect that others are remaining silent so as not to invoke retribution in some form or another, such as getting flamed in threads or not invited to runs.

    If I were still an active admin, I would have red texted you and started kicking people when the issue began to spin out of control.  But since I do not have that authority at this time and my multiple requests to end the discussion and focus on the game went unheeded, this was my only option to address the matter.  I could have just filed a report, but the "discussion" was not vulgar, violent, or abusive, so I chose not to go that route.  The discussion was in fact generally civil, but very annoying in that none of you would just let it go and move on.  Its like going out to dinner and the old couple next to you are arguing and bickering loudly over every little thing.  You can't call the police on them since they are not technically "disturbing the peace", but you certainly aren't enjoying your time out at the restaurant.. unless you like that sort of thing.

     And no, I don't regret the thread.  My only regret is that there are people in the world who care only for themselves and lack the ability admit their errors, learn from them, and improve themselves.  Consider this my correction to you.  I hope you find it entertaining and perhaps learn something from it.. but somehow I doubt it.
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RE: Respect for other people and their enjoyment of the game. - by Spirit - 21-02-2018, 11:28 PM



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