03-02-2025, 05:51 PM
Hello to all,
I would like to know the community opinion on this subject. I know in the past that leeching ( getting exp/loot while doing little or nothing to help the team) was not tolerated. I see that it has become common place in current game play, at all levels. Has leeching now become acceptable to the community? Let me explain my thoughts and request your input and response to the poll.
Q. What is leeching?
A. As mentioned above, leeching is the act of doing the bare minimum to not be marked AFK and getting all possible gold/exp/loot chances as bots are killed by others on the team.
Q. Why is this bad?
A. In my opinion, this entirely unfair to the rest of your team. The success of the run is dependent on every person on the team pulling their weight. This may not be so important on Normal runs, but is more so no Hard, and especially on Ragnarok runs. On almost every run where I have died and been waiting to be tomed or respawn, I go to view what others are doing. In almost every case there are 1 or more people sitting in base still getting gold/exp/loot chances while those who have died helping progress the run are not. Why should these people who are leeching have more chances at loot than those who are taking the risks?
Q. What can actually be done about it?
A. The first step taken was the implementation of the AFK timer. Once a player is marked as AFK, then they no longer get exp/gold/loot. However, the community is broadly aware of how to circumvent this timer. I have actually seen other players tell someone exactly how to do it. If the overall community is against this practice, then I will be more aggressive in enforcing this portion of "Gameplay Rules", located here....
https://wiki.nordinvasion.com/doku.php?id=rules:start
and this part in particular...
"Do make a reasonable effort to support the team. Do not use low-tier equipment as an excuse to not contribute to the team (especially as a high-tier player)."
Q. Can only an Admin ask teammates to be more active?
A. The answer is No. If you feel a team member is not being a active as they should be, you have every right to politely ask them to be more engaged. If they respond aggressively or not at all, the issue should not be escalated via the in game chat. Instead just do ESC --> Report Player and then the admins will deal with it.
Q. What examples of leeching have I observed?
A. Here is a list of things I have observed...
1. the worst offense.. just doing absolutely nothing other than what it takes to not be marked as AFK.
2. doing nothing other than just dropping tomes when people die. While helpful, this is still leeching. You are not taking any of the risks that others take while receiving ALL of the benefits.
3. Only killing bots on occasion so that you are not on the bottom of the kill count list, but never ever actually helping to take out the ranged bots where there is a chance you might get killed and miss a loot chance.
4. Only killing bots on Boss waves so you can get the Boss kill. If you want the Boss kill, then do the work to get to the Boss also.
There are certainly other examples I could mention, but I think my point should be clear.
Q. Am I not allowed to go AFK??
A. Of course you are allowed to go AFK if necessary. We all realize that there may be something IRL that you need to attend to. However, this should be an exception and not the norm. If you have something you need to do IRL that consistently takes your attention away from the run, perhaps you should give up your spot for someone who can and will actively play the game, especially if the run is full. Do not misconstrue this to mean that it is OK to leech if the run is not full. Leeching is never acceptable in my opinion.
What I find most surprising and offensive is that most of the times these players are actively choosing not to participate. If you message them to see if they are present, they respond. When someone dies, they tome. When bots come near them and they may die, the do something. This is what I call "active leeching" and is more heinous than just the pure AFK leeching. Your teammate is making the active choice not to help while still getting as much or more gold/exp/loot that others who are playing the game and taking the risks.
These are my thoughts and opinions on the subject. Please provide your feedback and respond to the poll.
Thank you,
Spirit
I would like to know the community opinion on this subject. I know in the past that leeching ( getting exp/loot while doing little or nothing to help the team) was not tolerated. I see that it has become common place in current game play, at all levels. Has leeching now become acceptable to the community? Let me explain my thoughts and request your input and response to the poll.
Q. What is leeching?
A. As mentioned above, leeching is the act of doing the bare minimum to not be marked AFK and getting all possible gold/exp/loot chances as bots are killed by others on the team.
Q. Why is this bad?
A. In my opinion, this entirely unfair to the rest of your team. The success of the run is dependent on every person on the team pulling their weight. This may not be so important on Normal runs, but is more so no Hard, and especially on Ragnarok runs. On almost every run where I have died and been waiting to be tomed or respawn, I go to view what others are doing. In almost every case there are 1 or more people sitting in base still getting gold/exp/loot chances while those who have died helping progress the run are not. Why should these people who are leeching have more chances at loot than those who are taking the risks?
Q. What can actually be done about it?
A. The first step taken was the implementation of the AFK timer. Once a player is marked as AFK, then they no longer get exp/gold/loot. However, the community is broadly aware of how to circumvent this timer. I have actually seen other players tell someone exactly how to do it. If the overall community is against this practice, then I will be more aggressive in enforcing this portion of "Gameplay Rules", located here....
https://wiki.nordinvasion.com/doku.php?id=rules:start
and this part in particular...
"Do make a reasonable effort to support the team. Do not use low-tier equipment as an excuse to not contribute to the team (especially as a high-tier player)."
Q. Can only an Admin ask teammates to be more active?
A. The answer is No. If you feel a team member is not being a active as they should be, you have every right to politely ask them to be more engaged. If they respond aggressively or not at all, the issue should not be escalated via the in game chat. Instead just do ESC --> Report Player and then the admins will deal with it.
Q. What examples of leeching have I observed?
A. Here is a list of things I have observed...
1. the worst offense.. just doing absolutely nothing other than what it takes to not be marked as AFK.
2. doing nothing other than just dropping tomes when people die. While helpful, this is still leeching. You are not taking any of the risks that others take while receiving ALL of the benefits.
3. Only killing bots on occasion so that you are not on the bottom of the kill count list, but never ever actually helping to take out the ranged bots where there is a chance you might get killed and miss a loot chance.
4. Only killing bots on Boss waves so you can get the Boss kill. If you want the Boss kill, then do the work to get to the Boss also.
There are certainly other examples I could mention, but I think my point should be clear.
Q. Am I not allowed to go AFK??
A. Of course you are allowed to go AFK if necessary. We all realize that there may be something IRL that you need to attend to. However, this should be an exception and not the norm. If you have something you need to do IRL that consistently takes your attention away from the run, perhaps you should give up your spot for someone who can and will actively play the game, especially if the run is full. Do not misconstrue this to mean that it is OK to leech if the run is not full. Leeching is never acceptable in my opinion.
What I find most surprising and offensive is that most of the times these players are actively choosing not to participate. If you message them to see if they are present, they respond. When someone dies, they tome. When bots come near them and they may die, the do something. This is what I call "active leeching" and is more heinous than just the pure AFK leeching. Your teammate is making the active choice not to help while still getting as much or more gold/exp/loot that others who are playing the game and taking the risks.
These are my thoughts and opinions on the subject. Please provide your feedback and respond to the poll.
Thank you,
Spirit