New armor for Legionnaire

[Maroon]

If you don't like these discussions, you might as well not take part in them at all, instead of spewing over what others say, Niezdara.
What the role is of one handed classes has always been dubious in NI, considering it doesn't have a clear-cut role in the way NI players play the game. So yeah, opinions on the best way to use such a class will vary.
Personally, I see the Legionnaire as a beefed up Pikeman-Commando hybrid, so in my mind it'd make sense to give the Legionnaire light armor. It becomes the best close quarters class, with some ranged to top it off, and as balance, its special armor isn't as beefy as that of the other Hero classes.
But that's just my 2 cents on the class. I don't have one myself, so I can't really say much about it.

[Looter]

Personally, though I do not have a legionnaire[or any hero class], I seen enough of them to say this. Legionaire is better equipped to be a more versatile both inside and other the cades, as it can brawl with the nords pretty easily outside the cades, then retreat to cades to either throw, slash [as well as a commando], or backup shield. It has more options and isn't trapped to doing nothing besides healing [even then someone else may already be doing it] or standing around. If you want to fill in multiple roles as needed the legion is best equipped for this in my opinion.

Anyway, some additional light armors wouldn't be harmful.

Edited some words, damm autocorrect

[Niezdara]

If you don't like these discussions, you might as well not take part in them at all, instead of spewing over what others say, Niezdara.

Its funny you've said that since my first post in that thread was actually on topic and usefull. Its not like I've come here bitching how my class is treated unfairly and how other classes don't deserve their stuff (since they not really do anything).

[Maroon]

Therefore it's fine for you to post all the other stuff you posted? Ugh.
Regardless, I've mentioned my opinion, should anyone care about it, so I'll leave it at this.

[Greg]

My own opinion is that Legionnaire, Sentinel and Aventurier should get access to the best armor's for their class.  Not Royal Guard, Pavise Champion, and Ranger.

Well I agree on Legionare and aventurer, but giving best armor to sentinel would destroy ranger class since he is NOT designed for shielding  like RG or pavise, but armor class just like halbardiers. I do belive sentinel needs better armor (slightly over royal scale and lighter) but it should not be better than armor for ranger (could be as good as current but than ranger should get something new)

[Bobo]

Personally, though I do not have a legionnaire[or any hero class], I seen enough of them to say this. Legionaire is better equipped to be a more versatile both inside and other the cades, as it can brawl with the nords pretty easily outside the cades, then retreat to cades to either throw, slash [as well as a commando], or backup shield. It has more options and isn't trapped to doing nothing besides healing [even then someone else may already be doing it] or standing around. If you want to fill in multiple roles as needed the legion is best equipped for this in my opinion.

Anyway, some additional light armors wouldn't be harmful.

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Strongly agree to this. Legionnaire is truely interesting character. But there is no dedicated armour for it. I do hope this thread might lead to developing one...

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quote author=Bobo link=topic=39211.msg218760#msg218760 date=1422954647]
[quote author=Elmo link=topic=39211.msg218709#msg218709 date=1422915949]
how about banded mail armour with cross colours like this...

Maybe Red + blue/black to stick with the Swadian colours or maybe  a slightly darker Swadian symbol on the top right part of the chest piece?

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https://imgur.com/jW78otX

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Real nice one, Elmo, gj.

However, I'd love to see a decent heraldic. I do feel we're missing heraldic armours for commando. There is the Heraldic mail (50) and Heraldic Trans (72), the later crazy expensive for a tiny +2 update over regular Trans.

For non-heraldic in between we have: 60 strong marketplace armours (fantastic value for money) and Swadian Heavy Lamellar / Striped 68 strong, still very affordable. Then the price goes high for Trans.

So if we're talking about a Lagionnaire dedidcated armour, I do think it should be Trans level in strength and cheaper or similar cost and a bit stronger (72 perhaps). Like mentioned above, I'd like to see it heraldic.

As for original idea from Woodz, I am not sure if a dedicated Legionnaire armour should be light (means also weak, since making it strong and light looks off-balance to me). Surely, it could make Legio able to kite perhaps, but I have 2 remarks on that:

1. if a Legio should drop everything except throwing weapon and go kite, then we already have a perfect kiter - MP. I do not feel we need an infantry substitute...
2. what is so fine about Legio is that this is a very versatile character: can fight in melee with high success (if equipped with a decent 1H), can shield well (if equipped with a decent shield), can throw if behind cades and not shielding... If also brings good support item, Legio is very helpful for the team in a variety of ways. Why try to reprofile it? Job for infantry is just to stand ground IMHO.

PS.  please, do correct if I missed some armour options.
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ok 1st thing like i said it a "option to trans" so meaning if you don't like this armor don't get it not hard is it

2nd yes it will be not as good as trans but well i don't need 70+10 armor for normal and when i say that like 1-17 waves

3rd i don't think this is going to change the game at all as it will just make a armor that i and others can wear it not like it changing the Stats of Legionnaire!


4th as for the armor

Trans                                Legionnaire Armor NOT REALY STATS
Weight35                                      Weight22?
Body armor70                                Body armor65?
Leg armor31                                  Leg armor28?
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Thanks for remarks, Woodz, I see your point and I will make an attempt to address it:
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(...) ok 1st thing like i said it a "option to trans" so meaning if you don't like this armor don't get it not hard is it (...)

But yes, I do like the Trans. I like it very much. It is one of the most popular armour in game for a reason. However, I do not like that it costs so much for just +2 body armour comparing to Heavy Lamellar / Stripped. I just feel the price gap is too large. So I would like to have another option here.
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(...) 2nd yes it will be not as good as trans but well i don't need 70+10 armor for normal and when i say that like 1-17 waves (...)

Ofc one does not need a super strong armour to play Normal (marketplace armour for 30k would do), still I think hero character is not be restricted to Normal. On the contrary.
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(...) 3rd i don't think this is going to change the game at all as it will just make a armor that i and others can wear it not like it changing the Stats of Legionnaire! (...)

I do see your intention. Respect bro and thanks for starting a very interesting thread.
Still, if we are discussing a dedicated armour for Legio (none exists atm) I have a feeling a little brainstrom and different approaches might be helpful here. Since I can see that ppl who could make it happen seem interested as well.

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First of all,  Verloren Plate which is Zwiehander only has the exact same stats as the Halfplate and Heraldic trans except, it is 5 lighter.  Given that,  It would make sense for the legionnaire armor to have simaller stats and crafting cost.  Or you could go with Imperial which has 1 more body armor than defender does.

Secondly,  Why on earth do the shielding classes get the best armor?  Why isn't it the One handed classes which are designed for fighting up close in melee?  Shielders are designed to stand there with their shield up, only moving forward with the rest of the commandos at the end of the wave.

My own opinion is that Legionnaire, Sentinel and Aventurier should get access to the best armor's for their class.  Not Royal Guard, Pavise Champion, and Ranger.  Not saying that they should not get their own armor.  But it makes more sense to me for the ones who are supposed to get up close in melee to have the best armor.

Ah, Q, thanks for the voice singing same song with me  ;D
Just wanted to express that myself only I don't possess the gift of words that you are obviously blessed with.

PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend. Will edit if you feel it's ill made...
PS2. And, Niezdara, just... please...

[DR.]

[quote author=Looter
PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend

OK OK so much reading -.-
The thing is Q yes I think that they should have better armor than zwi as zwi and rg are most of the time together but I think leg in the middle of it as a rg has the role of shield one he goes down most times GG eg Thor Odin but I do think that leg could get zwi helm as they are out in the open more than zwi but then again been shot from arrows ect inbteen the shield wall is never fun

Ma be we have 2 armor just to make more people happy one best ng the light on me the other being very heavy but has 72 armor I see Q wanting them both :p

[Bobo]

[quote author=Bobo link=topic=39211.msg218827#msg218827 date=1422993726]
[quote author=Looter
PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend

OK OK so much reading -.-
The thing is Q yes I think that they should have better armor than zwi as zwi and rg are most of the time together but I think leg in the middle of it as a rg has the role of shield one he goes down most times GG eg Thor Odin but I do think that leg could get zwi helm as they are out in the open more than zwi but then again been shot from arrows ect inbteen the shield wall is never fun

Ma be we have 2 armor just to make more people happy one best ng the light on me the other being very heavy but has 72 armor I see Q wanting them both :p
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That would definetly make ppl happy to have 2 dedicated armours. Only I fear devs would find it too much. Still, we have none for now, so even one is a good beginning...

[DR.]

[quote author=Woodz link=topic=39211.msg218843#msg218843 date=1422998224]
[quote author=Bobo link=topic=39211.msg218827#msg218827 date=1422993726]
[quote author=Looter
PS. sorry for making post that long. Just couldn't decide to remove all the quotes in order to avoid making it difficult to comprehend

OK OK so much reading -.-
The thing is Q yes I think that they should have better armor than zwi as zwi and rg are most of the time together but I think leg in the middle of it as a rg has the role of shield one he goes down most times GG eg Thor Odin but I do think that leg could get zwi helm as they are out in the open more than zwi but then again been shot from arrows ect inbteen the shield wall is never fun

Ma be we have 2 armor just to make more people happy one best ng the light on me the other being very heavy but has 72 armor I see Q wanting them both :p
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That would definetly make ppl happy to have 2 dedicated armours. Only I fear devs would find it too much. Still, we have none for now, so even one is a good beginning...
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ok i will make a vote on the armor as witch one the devs can put in 1st or what 
Heavy vs Light

[Soviet]

These quote fails are making me cry