The Item and Class Stat Balance Thread

[Winter]

Maybe a new halb helm will be put in and downgrade thanos to orange tho idk.

This guy gets it.  Sadly, I haven't had the time to put in said helm...

[DR.]

Talking about this Halb helm made me think of Royal Wing Helm that could use a buff and keep the weight or even add more if needed. 
It doesn't make sense that the princes helm would be the best for that class and i don't see the point of adding a new rg helm unless it was not as good/orange.

Royal Wing Helm
Weight 7+
Head Armor 74-75


I also have 2 Questions about Mangler some people in a sever pointed this out. 

1. Why does it not have a 2 mode like Tp Pok Ds when it longer than 2 of them and it the marauder polearm.
2. Why is the thrust lower than DH (46p vs 45p) when it looks like it would do more than well all polearms. 

I'm not asking for a big buff just confused how a orange pike has more p when it red and marauder locked and how 2nd mode was not a thing from the start.

Mangler
Speed Rating 92
Weapon Length 199
Swing Damage 55
Thrust Damage 47-49
Can do 2nd mode thing


Yes i did buy this not even half a week ago i have Jormungandr it would out class it any way.

[Winter]

It doesn't make sense that the princes helm would be the best for that class and i don't see the point of adding a new rg helm unless it was not as good/orange.

Royal Wing Helm
Weight 7+
Head Armor 74-75


I also have 2 Questions about Mangler some people in a sever pointed this out. 

1. Why does it not have a 2 mode like Tp Pok Ds when it longer than 2 of them and it the marauder polearm.
2. Why is the thrust lower than DH (46p vs 45p) when it looks like it would do more than well all polearms. 

I'm not asking for a big buff just confused how a orange pike has more p when it red and marauder locked and how 2nd mode was not a thing from the start.

Mangler
Speed Rating 92
Weapon Length 199
Swing Damage 55
Thrust Damage 47-49
Can do 2nd mode thing


Yes i did buy this not even half a week ago i have Jormungandr it would out class it any way.

So we should buff the Royal Winged Helmet because it doesn't make sense that it is the best due to its model?  Okay, then...
The reasoning behind it was that the Valsgarde is a sort of special helmet and somewhat represents NI, so we did not want to make a new helmet that was better.  However, there wasn't much room for a Royal Guard helmet behind it, so it was put at the same armor value but much heavier, since weight seems to be common for the Royal Guard class.

For the Mangler, it was given less thrusting pierce because it already has so much slashing pierce.  If you look at the pike, it is a stick covered in spikes.  It would be very awkward to try to do an overhead stab with something so front-heavy and it simply doesn't look like a weapon capable of overhead stabs, just like the Dragon Halberd.  It is for slashing, not stabbing. (Like seriously... it does just as much pierce damage as the Pike of Kings, but slashing instead of poking which is, let's be honest here, way easier than trying to pull off overhead stabs with proper trajectory and speed bonus).

[Xen]

If you're trying to stab with the Mangler then you're doing something very very wrong.

It's by far my favorite weapon along side the Ancient Greatsword and I think it's fine the way it is.

[Fury]

I'm not a furry but I agree with the rest of this message x: Black armor is already 2 armor away from the brigadines. It wouldn't be too much asking for imperial to be 78 I think. For such a large investment I don't think 1 armor is good enough incentive unlike the 2 armor from full plate.

Xbow can use Heavy Steel Greaves/Black Heavy Steel Greaves.
So we we get boots better than market place that go with Brigadine and even Black Armor/Guardian Armor?

+ Were the red boots for xbow ? As xbow is the only one that can have a true red set lol. 
I'm not even sure if a new model is needed just use Commando ones that are already in game (Steel Shynbaulds). 


This is furrys and others idea not even mine so dont call me out as i have it. 
Imperial Armor get 1 more armor (78 same as Pol) idea became more common when Swadian Full Plate came out with 2 more armor than half plate.

I would say pol (Plate Over Leather) could use a buff to 79 as how Milanese Plate is to Half Plate (1 less/less weight). It is less of a problem as it makes up in having even less weight and 2 class's but it a Legendary so idk can go both ways.

[DR.]

So we should buff the Royal Winged Helmet because it doesn't make sense that it is the best due to its model?  Okay, then...
The reasoning behind it was that the Valsgarde is a sort of special helmet and somewhat represents NI, so we did not want to make a new helmet that was better.  However, there wasn't much room for a Royal Guard helmet behind it, so it was put at the same armor value but much heavier, since weight seems to be common for the Royal Guard class.

Interesting my point was if Rg got a better helm that would make Royal Winged Helm orange etc. Anyway Vals would still be wanted  if it was 74 armor and eg 10w that how i was thinking. Very Interesting gothic helm Leg locked then ?

If you're trying to stab with the Mangler then you're doing something very very wrong.

It's by far my favorite weapon along side the Ancient Greatsword and I think it's fine the way it is.

Had hope as i know that a weapon can have no stab at all yet it had it. To add your other favorite weapon has 10w and can knock down people this game not 100% realistic.
I would like to see it gone then as like you said "If you're trying to stab with the Mangler then you're doing something very very wrong." 
As i sometimes use stab on accident when fighting nords as i use keys so that why is made no sense at the time why it was so low. 

Dose sun pike still have a 2nd mode as well even more why this idea had reason.

Side note do this with Navel and Eastern Glaive as well if it get done as they have the same problem all cut 0 poke.

I'm not a furry but I agree with the rest of this message x:

Sorry you can blame spell check and me not looking that part over lol or could change your name again 

[DR.]

Lol just found that out can be use with 1 hand yet a stab overhead to much ?? 
 

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[Winter]

Lol just found that out can be use with 1 hand yet a stab overhead to much ?? 
 

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Hooray, something to remove.

[Disco]

I don't intend to sound to rude, but I feel my post may have been missed. 

I think that Swadian Boots should be usable by Halberdier because they currently don't have access to boots better than Light Plated Boots, despite being the armoured Pikeman class. Also they can use Swadian Gauntlets and would look much nicer with the complete set.

[Terath]

I don't intend to sound to rude, but I feel my post may have been missed. 

I think that Swadian Boots should be usable by Halberdier because they currently don't have access to boots better than Light Plated Boots, despite being the armoured Pikeman class. Also they can use Swadian Gauntlets and would look much nicer with the complete set.

or halberdier could just get their own boots/hands, but I agree.