The Item and Class Stat Balance Thread

[Winter]

I don't intend to sound to rude, but I feel my post may have been missed. 

I think that Swadian Boots should be usable by Halberdier because they currently don't have access to boots better than Light Plated Boots, despite being the armoured Pikeman class. Also they can use Swadian Gauntlets and would look much nicer with the complete set.

I remember reading that and I thought I responded to it.  I agree and this may come up in the future.

[DR.]

As nothing has changed and it been 1 month+ and we have been through 2 updates or so 

• Dark/Heavy Steel Greaves Usable by Xbow 
  
• Dark/Steel Gauntlets Usable by Xbow/Halb/Ranger
  
• Swadian Boots usable by Halb (maybe Ranger come to think of it)
  
• Swadian Gauntlets usable by Ranger
  
• Imperial Armor 78 armor 
  

 
So is some/all of this happening at a later date or did this get forgotten?

[Winter]

As nothing has changed and it been 1 month+ and we have been through 2 updates or so 

• Dark/Heavy Steel Greaves Usable by Xbow 
  
• Dark/Steel Gauntlets Usable by Xbow/Halb/Ranger
  
• Swadian Boots usable by Halb (maybe Ranger come to think of it)
  
• Swadian Gauntlets usable by Ranger
  
• Imperial Armor 78 armor 
  

 
So is some/all of this happening at a later date or did this get forgotten?

I'll just go through each of these again because I don't feel like searching for old discussions.

Dark/Heavy Steel Greaves for xbow - Nahhhhh
Dark/Steel Gauntlets - I'd really rather not, to be honest.
Swadian Boots - Sure for both of them.  There will need to be another discussion before this, though.
Swadian Gauntlets - Sure.
Imperial Armor - Eventually.  I think I may need to convince some people first.

For the first two - those should really be Commando items and not be shared with all of the armor hero classes, in my opinion.  I am personally of the opinion that the gauntlet progression line has become too cramped to begin with and could use an overhaul, especially in regards to so many classes all using the same gauntlets as the best.  Since gauntlets and boots often come in a set and I'd rather not split sets, this problem is also shown in boots even though they do have sufficient breathing room.  I like the idea of the Swadian set actually being the best shared items before classes have to have their own goodies since it is Swadian and stuff.

It wasn't forgotten, I am just retired.

[DR.]

Could just make placeholders for the 1st 2 things by using same model like how heavy bear was and other things. 
So eg Xbow boots could use Heavy Steel Greaves model till one is made/found ?

So just be 3 things you be place holding. As there small thing and the "new" models would look close to them anyway i cant see a problem ?  

• Xbow - Heavy Steel Greaves
  
• Ranger - Steel Gauntlets
  
• Halb - Dark Steel Gauntlets
  

[Winter]

Could just make placeholders for the 1st 2 things by using same model like how heavy bear was and other things. 
So eg Xbow boots could use Heavy Steel Greaves model till one is made/found ?

So just be 3 things you be place holding. As there small thing and the "new" models would look close to them anyway i cant see a problem ?  

• Xbow - Heavy Steel Greaves
  
• Ranger - Steel Gauntlets
  
• Halb - Dark Steel Gauntlets
  

It is possible, but logistics have to be taken into account.  My best answer to this question is eventually something will happen maybe.  I am retired, man.  I am okay with it and I will argue for it, but convincing someone else to do it is not always possible (and at a certain point it would be faster to do it yourself to begin with) and I am too busy to do it myself.  There is also confirming that there will be future models for these items.

It takes time and coordination and honestly these things are not high up on the to-do list. If I am not particularly busy in this upcoming week, maybe I'll work on some of these changes. If not, maybe some glorious hero of a developer will do it for us.

[KMOCHA]

Could just make placeholders for the 1st 2 things by using same model like how heavy bear was and other things. 
So eg Xbow boots could use Heavy Steel Greaves model till one is made/found ?

So just be 3 things you be place holding. As there small thing and the "new" models would look close to them anyway i cant see a problem ?  

• Xbow - Heavy Steel Greaves
  
• Ranger - Steel Gauntlets
  
• Halb - Dark Steel Gauntlets
  

It is possible, but logistics have to be taken into account.  My best answer to this question is eventually something will happen maybe.  I am retired, man.  I am okay with it and I will argue for it, but convincing someone else to do it is not always possible (and at a certain point it would be faster to do it yourself to begin with) and I am too busy to do it myself.  There is also confirming that there will be future models for these items.

It takes time and coordination and honestly these things are not high up on the to-do list.  If I am not particularly busy in this upcoming week, maybe I'll work on some of these changes.  If not, maybe some glorious hero of a developer will do it for us.

*cough cough* maybe that new fangled dev can start on some new models for xbow and halberd boots/gaunt

[Terath]

Could just make placeholders for the 1st 2 things by using same model like how heavy bear was and other things. 
So eg Xbow boots could use Heavy Steel Greaves model till one is made/found ?

So just be 3 things you be place holding. As there small thing and the "new" models would look close to them anyway i cant see a problem ?  

• Xbow - Heavy Steel Greaves
  
• Ranger - Steel Gauntlets
  
• Halb - Dark Steel Gauntlets
  

It is possible, but logistics have to be taken into account.  My best answer to this question is eventually something will happen maybe.  I am retired, man.  I am okay with it and I will argue for it, but convincing someone else to do it is not always possible (and at a certain point it would be faster to do it yourself to begin with) and I am too busy to do it myself.  There is also confirming that there will be future models for these items.

It takes time and coordination and honestly these things are not high up on the to-do list.  If I am not particularly busy in this upcoming week, maybe I'll work on some of these changes.  If not, maybe some glorious hero of a developer will do it for us.

*cough cough* maybe that new fangled dev can start on some new models for xbow and halberd boots/gaunt

no

edit: until told to

edit edit: by somebody important

[ON_Glenn]

lol 5 tags <3

[PurpleSmart_109]

I don't know if it's just me but I think infantry heroes should be buffed in general. They can take 3-4 hits on Hard and Ragnarok before dying, and their weapons aren't that great unless you're rich as hell. Their armors should be buffed to a level where they can take 3-4 swings from beserkers with decent armour like Heavy Lamellar. The role of the infantry heroes in Hard/Ragnarok is to shield or slash, they're pretty good at it, but slashing wise Pikeman heroes can out-damage most Zweihanders unless Zweis have AGS or extremely expensive items.

My suggestion is, buff the commando + hero locked weapons and armour to a significant level, or increase skills of heroes. Infantry is completely melee focused, and when other classes such as pikemans start to out-perform them in melee, they're kinda stuck in shielding only. Archers, pikeman and even xbow already out-damages them, and recently they're being out-damaged in melee as well. Since all heroes have insanely good legendary melee weapons, they can be as strong as commando heroes in melee as long as they have the money for it.

How to fix it? First of all this would be really great for commandos, as they're the least versatile class. At leastly with this, they'd be much stronger than other classes, and there would be a reason to go commando rather than pikeman. Pikeman really overshadows Commando.

My first suggestion is to increase weapon skills ands stats without buffing items. For example, a Zwei could have 300 two handed weapon skill while RG could have 300 one handed skill. The reason behind this is to make commandos significantly more damage dealing than other classes, even when using the same weapons. Their iron flesh could be increased as well to tank more damage.

My second suggestion is to increase weapon stats, but it's not as good as my first suggestion. For example, Swadian Hope could have a whopping 60c damage. Other classes would have to find or buy legendaries to reach the same damage as commando, while commando heroes would spend far less money to be more effective in melee.

[Looter]

60c for Swadian hope would put it at the dmg of dragon axe/illustrious, and past many legendary grade swords. It's dmg is where it should be already.