Ragnarok requirement level

[Malong]

I am sorry, but I have to call BS on this...In the same sentence you say you don't fault them, you complain about the carrying.... To say you "do not fault them" would be laughable if the situation such hatred is causing were not so serious.

I think you misunderstand: I do not fault people for playing Ragnarok with support-less level 39 characters, considering I (and many others I know) do the same for progressing to 52/hero. It's the path of least resistance.

[quote author=Malong link=topic=23179.msg166251#msg166251 date=1392584837]
The sharing has, for the most part, ended. The system has already driven the group that can consistently succeed in public rag runs to create coordinated runs (basically unofficial events) where people all join a server comprising only that group. Compare this to just two or three months ago when people would not feel this coordination was necessary. Hopefully upcoming changes would repair the schism in this relationship.

While I do agree that the loot system needs an overhaul, I disagree that it is the loot system that is causing the schism in the NI community.[/quote]
"The system" referred to the requirements as a whole, not loot.

I have to agree with Maroon on his point.  With a solid core group of players and a few key items, as long as the well geared players are actually willing to share their items and perhaps their knowledge with others, then there is room for the less fortunate, less charismatic, or even "casual" players who don't have hours a day to commit to this game...So I ask why would you NOT want to welcome other?  My opinion is the simple fact that your frustration about the loot system has been misdirected toward the players who have no control over it.

I appreciate my employer's office's janitorial staff's contributions to the operation of my employer, but I'm in no rush to add them to my direct deposit.

I don't care what your groups does on their events, but public servers are exactly that... PUBLIC.

After seeing the report made today and being in the NI channel (before your removal to a non-NI ts) when you are plotting which server to take over, I know exactly what is going on.  I have no doubt that you and your group of people descended on a server and refused to join in until they wiped and quit and then your group would be able to take over the server.  Were all the other Rag servers already in use at that time, or that was the one you wanted because of ping?  I know that you guys typically look for one that has zero players and then make a coordinated entry so that no "underserving" player sees it and joins in before it fills up.

I had nothing to do with that. Furthermore, the bolded excerpt seems to imply I can remotely control others' bodies and direct them into not joining the game. I'm not even present and it seems you want to fault "[me] and [my] group" for this. But since you brought it up (somewhat unprovoked), all "we" do is join an already-empty server (with a map and region we like), and check if everyone who is in the TS channel is in the server. If someone who was promised a spot did not join the server successfully, then we all leave the server and try rejoining shortly afterwards. Our contingency never involves staying and plotting their wiping/departure.

Other than that, I have also heard of your entire group leaving a server mid-run because someone you didn't like was able to join the server and you didn't want to "carry" them to the boss.  I don't have the details of that so there may be a legitimate reason such as an event starting.. but I find it very unlikely.

I do hope that the Dev's and Sr Admins take serious look at these behaviors and take immediate and decisive actions.  The only way the NI community is going to heal is if the attitudes of hatred changes.  If that means some players that are inciting others are permanently banned, then so be it.  The mod should be open for all of us to enjoy.. not just those whom some people deem "deserving".  Those that are creating the rifts should be cut out like a cancer.

And what determines the "legitimacy" of any reason? Nothing binds anybody to a server or session. Players have also been (by devs and admins) told that they can easily avoid players by leaving, rather than getting into in-game arguments. People that do this are merely applying that principle.

But while on this topic= it seems you are quite set on the idea that "[me] and [my] players" are the only ones that do this? Someone close to you (genetically and socially) used the same undesirable tactic well over a month before (November) "[me] and [my] players" did. They saw players they didn't like, we all tried to leave to another server to get necessary members in, but were thwarted and created an impromptu event. And the password to said event was "carrytrash." It's well documented in this post (click here) with the following quote:

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Chris, Roman, and Legit were on a Ragnarok Server. Gold_Drop then told them to leave the server to bring in a tome bringer. These servers are public and are first come first serve. After arguing, the players left the server and left Roman, Chris and Legit alone. They then hopped around 4 servers to get back in with them. Winter then made the last Server VLKA_Event. Later on I found out this was a real event. Legit was then kicked and banned from the ts server.

"I and [my] players" don't have the luxury the create events with no advance notice, so we simply leave. If you take a closer look, you might see how long ago the "cancerous" behavior started to occur, that "I and [my] players" aren't the sole ones doing this (though you seem to imply we are), and how widely the "cancer" has spread.