(17-02-2014, 07:46 PM)Malong link Wrote: We mostly leave when one of the people in TS could not join due to someone else getting a spot in the server. The "anyone you don't deem 'worthy'" part should really be amended to the people that follow us around to troll, and that list is quite small (started with only two or three people). This practice is pretty new for us, and you have even been present many times for runs as recently as one month ago when we stayed despite the presence of certain players we would not have preferred to play with.
I am sorry, but I personally think this is bad form. This is server manipulation in order to get in the people you want.. as you freely admit to here yourself. Just because you have 16 people in your TS does not mean you can guarantee them all a spot. Each house gets 2 events per week. Only in events can you control who occupies those spots on a server. If someone else happens to get a single spot and then your entire teams leaves, waits for the server to drop to zero again, and then rejoins en masse, then I believe that should be considered a violation of the event rules. In my opinion, the punishment for such activity should be the loss of event privileges for a period of time.
If someone who is "trolling" you happens to get onto the server and is actually "trolling", then follow the NI rules. Join IRC to get an admin to handle the situation, or post a report in the appropriate forum topic along with the screenshots to support the "trolling".
(17-02-2014, 07:46 PM)Malong link Wrote: I appreciate my employer's office's janitorial staff's contributions to the operation of my employer, but I'm in no rush to add them to my direct deposit.
Your analogy is off. You don't pay the Janitors. Your employer does. But since you raise it, let me add to it...
If your employer decided that the Janitors are doing an excellent job of cleaning up the toilets that others piss all over and decides to give them a raise but at the same time tells you that there is not enough funds to also give you a raise, then who will you be angry towards... the Janitors or your Employer? Being angry, harassing the janitors, and intentionally pissing even more on the toilets is the right thing to do?
(17-02-2014, 10:34 AM)Spirit link Wrote: I don't care what your groups does on their events, but public servers are exactly that... PUBLIC.
After seeing the report made today and being in the NI channel (before your removal to a non-NI ts) when you are plotting which server to take over, I know exactly what is going on. I have no doubt that you and your group of people descended on a server and refused to join in until they wiped and quit and then your group would be able to take over the server. Were all the other Rag servers already in use at that time, or that was the one you wanted because of ping? I know that you guys typically look for one that has zero players and then make a coordinated entry so that no "underserving" player sees it and joins in before it fills up.
(17-02-2014, 07:46 PM)Malong link Wrote: I had nothing to do with that. Furthermore, the bolded excerpt seems to imply I can remotely control others' bodies and direct them into not joining the game. I'm not even present and it seems you want to fault "[me] and [my] group" for this. But since you brought it up (somewhat unprovoked), all "we" do is join an already-empty server (with a map and region we like), and check if everyone who is in the TS channel is in the server. If someone who was promised a spot did not join the server successfully, then we all leave the server and try rejoining shortly afterwards. Our contingency never involves staying and plotting their wiping/departure.
I stated before that you typically do target empty servers and coordinate the join such that other do not see it in time to actually join before it is full. However, in this latest report, there is clear evidence that some people joined the server, sat in spec, and went as far as to say that others should "stay in hard and let the good players have the Ragnarok" (or something to that effect).
While you may not have been part of that activity, you as an officer of your house must lead by example. If you regularly condone or even promote such activities, then you must bear the responsibility of being held accountable for the actions of said house and all its members/affiliates/followers.
Your "contingency", as I stated above, is server manipulation. If even a single one of your selected group fail to get onto the server you target, then you all leave, target a different server, or wait for the server to go empty again, and then again coordinate your join - as you once again freely admit here. Every run cannot be a controlled "event" where only the people you want are allowed to play. That is not the intent of PUBLIC servers.
(17-02-2014, 10:34 AM)Spirit link Wrote: Other than that, I have also heard of your entire group leaving a server mid-run because someone you didn't like was able to join the server and you didn't want to "carry" them to the boss. I don't have the details of that so there may be a legitimate reason such as an event starting.. but I find it very unlikely.
I do hope that the Dev's and Sr Admins take serious look at these behaviors and take immediate and decisive actions. The only way the NI community is going to heal is if the attitudes of hatred changes. If that means some players that are inciting others are permanently banned, then so be it. The mod should be open for all of us to enjoy.. not just those whom some people deem "deserving". Those that are creating the rifts should be cut out like a cancer.
(17-02-2014, 07:46 PM)Malong link Wrote: And what determines the "legitimacy" of any reason? Nothing binds anybody to a server or session. Players have also been (by devs and admins) told that they can easily avoid players by leaving, rather than getting into in-game arguments. People that do this are merely applying that principle.
But while on this topic= it seems you are quite set on the idea that "[me] and [my] players" are the only ones that do this? Someone close to you (genetically and socially) used the same undesirable tactic well over a month before (November) "[me] and [my] players" did. They saw players they didn't like, we all tried to leave to another server to get necessary members in, but were thwarted and created an impromptu event. And the password to said event was "carrytrash."
"I and [my] players" don't have the luxury the create events with no advance notice, so we simply leave. If you take a closer look, you might see how long ago the "cancerous" behavior started to occur, that "I and [my] players" aren't the sole ones doing this (though you seem to imply we are), and how widely the "cancer" has spread.
I have discussed these topics with Winter directly.
In regards to INDIVIDUAL players leaving a server to avoid confrontation, then yes.. it is absolutely a good thing to do. However, if an entire group of people intentionally manipulate the servers to monopolize them to the exclusion of everyone but their select few, then that should not be allowed. If there is in fact someone trolling your server, then use the documented and approved methods of dealing with it.
{edit - sorry, got disconnected before I finished}
As you also say here, players do not have the luxury to create events with no advance notice. That is because "events" are limited to two per house per week. With Tricksters and WS combining their events, your group actually gets four "official" events per week. The frequent, I would guess daily, manipulation of the servers to create your "unofficial" events should be considered a violation of that standard.
However, since you have admitted to doing as much several times here, I am hoping the Devs/Sr Admins are taking note and formulating an official response. If such actions are deemed "illegal" and there are other groups performing this same action, then please do report them on the appropriate forum topic [if or when the Devs/Sr Admins comment]