Ragnarok requirement level

[Spirit]

By definition of others joining the server, we are not controlling the spots on the server nor manipulating it in any way. All we do is try again, which wouldn't be necessary if it was true circumvention or manipulation. If you want to relegate us to a fixed number of events per period of time, then you are stifling impromptu playing. At this stage of the game, can't we just play with the e-friends we enjoy spending leisure time with?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  "all we do is try again".... If you can't see that this in itself is circumventing the nature of a Public server, then there is nothing more I can say.

I do not relegate you to a fixed number of events per period of time, the NI Devs and Sr Admins do that in the rules that they have established... 2 official events per week per house with at least 5 members of said house in active attendance at said event.

Again.... I don't want to discourage impromptu play.  I am trying to encourage fair impromptu play.  I am not in any way saying that you cannot play with your friends.  What I am saying is that if you want to play with your friends and ONLY your friends, then do that during official events.  If you want impromptu play on a PUBLIC server, then you MUST be tolerant and accepting of any other player that joins the server, providing they also adhere to the rules and guidelines of fair and courteous play.

As long as any group of people is working actively to exclude others, then feelings will be hurt and there will be strife in the community.

• [li][quote author=Spirit link=topic=23179.msg166374#msg166374 date=1392672683]Your analogy is off.  You don't pay the Janitors. Your employer does. But since you raise it, let me add to it...

You're right, I don't, and they already get their wages (assist XP and gold). I was implying giving them additional pay on top of that.[/quote]

You never have and never will pay the Janitors.  Our employer [NI] already does that.  All the janitor wants is for you to allow them the opportunity to have a job. 

If you have an issue with how the employer rewards its employees, take that up with your employer in a constructive fashion.  Denying the janitor the opportunity to work is just misdirected anger and is only causing more problems than it solves.  [ after all.. are YOU going to clean the toilets?!?  ]

#< not discussing the reports. Kip has already made his post on that thread >#

• [li][quote author=Spirit link=topic=23179.msg166289#msg166289 date=1392633282]In regards to INDIVIDUAL players leaving a server to avoid confrontation, then yes.. it is absolutely a good thing to do.  However, if an entire group of people intentionally manipulate the servers to monopolize them to the exclusion of everyone but their select few, then that should not be allowed.

This does not create a monopoly on the servers. There are four public Ragnarok servers, and no time when 64-68 concurrent players are playing Ragnarok. If you are trying to say that everyone must only play with other players, then there is no precedent for that. Just because one or more player leaves a server does not mean the remaining cannot stay and play.
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I absolutely agree.  There are four Ragnarok servers.  I don't think I have ever seen more than two concurrent public runs at any given time.  There is usually just one, if any.  If you can't see that your actions of "server bombing" {thanks for providing the name for this activity =P } is creating a monopoly of THAT server and denying a fair opportunity to other players who just want a chance to also play the game, then there is again nothing more I can say.

In your last statement, you are pretty vague.. "one or more".  Sure, if one, two, three, maybe even four players all leave at once, then the spots will fill up again and the run can continue.  But what we are talking about is eight, ten, twelve, or even fifteen people all leaving the server at once.  Do you really expect a run that gets fragmented like that to be able to continue? Seriously?  Especially given the fact that I have witnessed you leaving a server... picking up your tome, putting it in inventory and making sure not to leave it for the benefit of the stranded players.  Yes, it is your tome and you have the right to do with it as you please... but really?


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I have said what I am trying to convey to you in what I hope has been clear and logical arguments.  If I have been unable to sway your opinion, then we will just have to agree to disagree.  I have nothing against you personally and have in fact enjoyed the runs we have done together in the past.. long before you left the NI TeamSpeak and the situation boiled up to where it is now.  I do sincerely hope that you consider my arguments with an open mind and that the upcoming loot changes do in fact help to alleviate the schism currently  existing in the NI community.