Ragnarok requirement level

[Malong]

[quote author=Malong link=topic=23179.msg166480#msg166480 date=1392742735]
You know someone who is known for not dying for support items unless begged (despite the obvious mass suicides when toming), drop their weapons for others when they do not have the prime slashing spot, has destroyed platforms when others use them, and so on.

I would appreciate it if you stopped bringing me up as a method to try to hurt Spirit.[/quote]
I left your name out of it and it is in no way a deflection. It is just a big double standard to mention the single time I went to spectator with my tomes but not mention the recurring past history of others and similar behavior. Again, I apologize, its intention is to bring light to the fact that this behavior is not solely from "my group," and if you dislike the behavior, then one should object to that behavior regardless of the perpetrator. Therefore I pointed out similar (and same) behaviors of others which, for some reason, have not been discussed as bad.

But for the record, I have defended you repeatedly to detractors saying that you have dropped items for people you are helping level, voluntarily died for support items, and so on. Many people can attest to this if you just ask them. You should know I have no problem with you or your behavior, have agreed with your course of action, and have always informed you of runs, never denying you entry to events, informing you that you can play whichever class with whichever support items, and so on.

Furthermore, the  main problem with your suicide with the tome was that you were using it as a hostage to allow you to leach your way through the server, sitting in the base just with your tome on you and letting everyone else kill Nords and shield for you.

To clear the air, this was Hidden Cave on Normal mode and the barricade wall was the bottom floor archway. A one-shielder gap was created, with two slashing spots taken, while I was playing Commando. I was only in that server because I received two Steam messages from friends asking if I could join with my Tome. That would be an incredibly inefficient way of leeching, being 50-52 with T4 support on Normal mode. I was asked to not solely benefit from my presence holding a tome in my hand. I swapped to spectator and typed something like "now I'm not gaining anything and you should have no objection."

As an edit, I suppose I should say that unlike you, I can accept when I am wrong and apologize, rather than try to cite others of doing the same or being worse to justify my actions.

Not at all. My point is that the behavior is undesirable when certain people are the culprits, but it's perfectly fine when others do it. If people are going to attach negative connotations to behaviors of "my group" then I will gladly cite similar and same incidents from "their group" and point out the borderline hypocrisy. Or is it only bad when "my group" does this? But while we're on the subject of that incident and being "wrong," we had a Steam conversation directly afterwards. It went something like this:

Malong: I know I'm an asshole.
Winter: At least you're a funny asshole with a sense of justice .