Nord Invasion about to fizzle out.

[Malong]

[quote author=Slayer link=topic=45644.msg240242#msg240242 date=1440432875]
Ranged is still OP regardless of the map.

As a player who has 3 ranged characters, I agree they need a nerf. I feel like I barely try and get 200+ kills on my warden and MP.
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As a player who has 3 ranged characters, I disagree that they need a nerf. I feel like last night we were on Ragnarok on The Great Hall*, and you had about 160 kills (25% short of the minimum to be 200+) and was only about 25 more kills than a level 39 crossbowman (me). Either way, even if kills equated power of a class, think of the factors that enable kills: a shield wall allowing ranged to hit bots with no danger outside of peeking, a map with ample windows or places, the amount of time where ranged classes can hit bots with no danger. And let's be honest, number of kills can easily be hyper-inflated by aiming for the bots that you know are going to die in one shot. A good example is normal where anyone with a decent weapon can rack up kills by just quickly spamming body shots instead of being concerned with accuracy and head shots, or a legionnaire with a decent weapon and armor just spamming slash because they're sure they can one-shot most bots and know that their armor will prevent them from taking the sufficient damage to die that wave.

* Also note that in this game, we would have died if it was not for a developer logging onto his developer character to force spawn (twice) on wave 16. If ranged was so overpowered regardless of map, and beating Ragnarok was a given, then why did we need to essentially get help outside of typical game mechanics to win? It's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering.