Ehhh i see where you're going but like Kriegstofu said if this was a thing it would be for a class that needs it not a new one.
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=71446
I made that post to see if the people that only play a few heroes would want some heroes. What i did not say at least in that thread was the ideas can be applied to the classes we already have.
Assassin is not much different than sentry, senti and avent.
Had to move its bow/xbow skill to 1h/2h so people didn't connect the 4.
This shows for the classes to be considered it needs to have something over it bigger armour counterparts other than a different ranged weapon.
The trade of having less armour and less melee skill for a different ranged weapon is not compensation. We need better stats in melee or some other department if this hero is going to stand a chance fighting vs a class like Leg/Zwei or even Jugg.
Ill point out this... as much as i think Jugg needs something its melee stats are ridiculous vs the 3 here given its an armour class.
![[Image: 1b4d9efdae157dd66fe9f81a8c7c6963.png]](https://i.gyazo.com/1b4d9efdae157dd66fe9f81a8c7c6963.png)
It's not even that's Jugg is "op" I think his fine in this area
When you play Senti you are as far away from armour as you can be from Jugg yet he the same or better melee skill.
The best armour in game or avg bow skill + being a bit faster? How is this balanced???
Custodian shows what Hoplite would need to get picked as much or closer to how much mara does atm.
Had to move its polearm skill to other stats that seem more useful.
Its stats need to be equal to mara in theory but the outcome is lack lustre with the polearms not being as user friendly. I don't want Hoplite to ever be a "shield class" it's still the same skill as Zwei, Jugg, Leg. It's a backup shielder.
For that reason even if it was mara stats + the 8 shield skill it may need more help.
The best bet i can think of would be do this
![[Image: b1ab6380641ec9efd803936d6a51e1c2.png]](https://i.gyazo.com/b1ab6380641ec9efd803936d6a51e1c2.png)
Mara will be a bit faster + have more friendly weapons
Vs
Hoplite will have a bit more hp + a bit more in throwing skill + basic shield skill.
Knight i had no idea what to do so i just made a hero up to fill the gap.
Nimrod is what Halb and Ranger i think should be.
Give Ranger the same level of armour as Xbow but can use a bow over an Xbow.
A bow for Ranger with a 2nd mode where it had the chance to knock down at the cost of speed + accuracy would help make it more of a fleshed out class.
Give Halb the same level of armour as Comando but can use throwing weapons and Polearms.
Halb and Leg have always been very close to being the same class.
Leg should be faster + have basic shield skill + "best" 1h skill + better throwing
Halb should be more of a tank given Damage Reduction + has basic polearm skill.
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=71446
I made that post to see if the people that only play a few heroes would want some heroes. What i did not say at least in that thread was the ideas can be applied to the classes we already have.
Assassin is not much different than sentry, senti and avent.
Had to move its bow/xbow skill to 1h/2h so people didn't connect the 4.
This shows for the classes to be considered it needs to have something over it bigger armour counterparts other than a different ranged weapon.
The trade of having less armour and less melee skill for a different ranged weapon is not compensation. We need better stats in melee or some other department if this hero is going to stand a chance fighting vs a class like Leg/Zwei or even Jugg.
Ill point out this... as much as i think Jugg needs something its melee stats are ridiculous vs the 3 here given its an armour class.
It's not even that's Jugg is "op" I think his fine in this area
When you play Senti you are as far away from armour as you can be from Jugg yet he the same or better melee skill.
The best armour in game or avg bow skill + being a bit faster? How is this balanced???
Custodian shows what Hoplite would need to get picked as much or closer to how much mara does atm.
Had to move its polearm skill to other stats that seem more useful.
Its stats need to be equal to mara in theory but the outcome is lack lustre with the polearms not being as user friendly. I don't want Hoplite to ever be a "shield class" it's still the same skill as Zwei, Jugg, Leg. It's a backup shielder.
For that reason even if it was mara stats + the 8 shield skill it may need more help.
The best bet i can think of would be do this
Mara will be a bit faster + have more friendly weapons
Vs
Hoplite will have a bit more hp + a bit more in throwing skill + basic shield skill.
Knight i had no idea what to do so i just made a hero up to fill the gap.
Nimrod is what Halb and Ranger i think should be.
Give Ranger the same level of armour as Xbow but can use a bow over an Xbow.
A bow for Ranger with a 2nd mode where it had the chance to knock down at the cost of speed + accuracy would help make it more of a fleshed out class.
Give Halb the same level of armour as Comando but can use throwing weapons and Polearms.
Halb and Leg have always been very close to being the same class.
Leg should be faster + have basic shield skill + "best" 1h skill + better throwing
Halb should be more of a tank given Damage Reduction + has basic polearm skill.