OP Legio or why do you need MP?

[Lophorius]

Judging a class from the outside and calling it op. Very objective and based on good evidence, lol.

good, im not the only one who laughed

[DR.]

I tend to get more kills by throwing volcs at the cades (or someone with an Aila) compared to peeking ranged bots as there are less ranged bots than melee bots on an average wave and you have more shots/min with the first two named cases compared to a single-shot xbow.
In addition if noone kills the ranged bots by peeking while the melee bots are killed you'll end up with those runs lasting 2-3x as long as if they're peeked. So don't complain about those peeking, its more dangerous and about as important as killing a bot at the cade/RG-spot.

Eh maybe you either don't want to aim for head shots or just not the best aimer. You get more kills when you go for ranged as it's more likely you are the only one killing that bot instead of aiming into a sea of nords.

Peeking is good fun even more so when you have a meat shield in front of you that steals the window.

I get 100+ kills with both during DB-Events (used as those are comparable), but I tend to get about 130-140 kills with volcs and 110 kills with xbow. I wouldn't call my aim bad, I just say the DPS are higher with Volcs/Aila compared to an Eagle.

When peeking daggers and alia are to fast for there own good when you either can't 1 shot the bot or you need to wait longer for the bots to look away.

I find normal stag/typhoon speed to be to much in some cases and even eagle. This is a matter of taste let alone map but I would rather slower weapons on avg than faster ones with less p.

Last DB event I got 100 kills with mangler so if I tried with my typhoon let alone my eagle I would guess I could get close to the 200 maybe more. There some luck involved they but yeah people can vouch I can carry even with 300 ping.

[Thunderstorm]

Did you play Hoplite with Mangler?

[DR.]

Did you play Hoplite with Mangler?

Why that would break the game

[Angar]

can this thread be closed already

besides you dont pick a class for its stats but for its items, this whole discussion is entirely pointless especially seeing that akanamah doesnt even have a legio

Why close, if people want to discuss various things why not here.

And not having a legionnaire only helps to be objective on that topic. Ofc everyone who have it will not call it OP.

You can't be objective when you talk about a nerf or a buff lel. You should know the class well enough before writing something about it. So obviously everyone who plays legionnaire will say the legionnaire is not OP because that's a fact. Giving a melee class a low defense is comparable with a bug or can you explain why the hell someone should actually use the 1h skill of a legionnaire even though you know you'll die with a high chance?! Thats what I call broken. Not the legionnaire itself but the fact, the skillpoints are not well distributed.

I don't play RG but I see that most of the rag runs are successfull which means the shielders do a great job. I'm not going ahead calling them OP just because their shields don't break because I have absolutely no clue how it is to be a shielder in the shieldwall and I can imagine there are a lot of problems as a shielder but none of them is that their shields are too good. So you better stop being objective. Seriously.

[Julia.]

can this thread be closed already

besides you dont pick a class for its stats but for its items, this whole discussion is entirely pointless especially seeing that akanamah doesnt even have a legio

Why close, if people want to discuss various things why not here.

And not having a legionnaire only helps to be objective on that topic. Ofc everyone who have it will not call it OP.

You can't be objective when you talk about a nerf or a buff lel. You should know the class well enough before writing something about it. So obviously everyone who plays legionnaire will say the legionnaire is not OP because that's a fact. Giving a melee class a low defense is comparable with a bug or can you explain why the hell someone should actually use the 1h skill of a legionnaire even though you know you'll die with a high chance?! Thats what I call broken. Not the legionnaire itself but the fact, the skillpoints are not well distributed.

I don't play RG but I see that most of the rag runs are successfull which means the shielders do a great job. I'm not going ahead calling them OP just because their shields don't break because I have absolutely no clue how it is to be a shielder in the shieldwall and I can imagine there are a lot of problems as a shielder but none of them is that their shields are too good. So you better stop being objective. Seriously.

This.

Did you ever try to melee multiple bots with a 1h sword and the bots had longer weapons? Most of us did. It ends with close combat and been hit, if the hits are badly timed for the player. Legio needs armor or longer 1h swords with a reach close to polearms (which would be 2h swords and not their aim). With a pikeman you can run off way faster and for melee you're still save due to the longer range. Ever thought about that? Maybe yes. Maybe a Legio can survive a hit more when shot, then on the other hand, we're meant to bring slower throwing weaps which take longer to throw and you need to peek longer. If we're talking about throwing at the cades, noone of us should get shot in the best case, if it happens place a cade or look for a better spot. I have a MP. I have a Legio. Both have the same throwing abilities (besides more accuracy on the MP side) but yet I choose Legio over any Pikeman due to the fact it allows me to use 1h rather than polearms (which I personally dislike in any Warband mod). Its an alternative for those like me who prefer that 1h/throwing combination over any polearms/throwing combination.

[Akanamah]

In this way. Legio - can not fully use its strong 1h, bc have lower ironflesh.
Maybe you will agree that what I suggested earlier is -1 power throw +2 ironflesh (and mb + offer Woody, +10 1h, +1 athletic)
would it be fair? As I said, that would make MP again the leader of the throwers. And Legio would feel more confident in melee combat. what u think about it guys?

[DR.]

So obviously everyone who plays legionnaire will say the legionnaire is not OP because that's a fact.

That's like 12 year olds point where he thinks he won the argument. "It's shit because I'm shit" or "it's good because I'm good"

If a player played [Both] Leg and Mp I would like to see that opinion more than just someone that has Leg.

It's like saying V-Daggers are not Op compared to Alia which is very hard to prove as they are not even the same type of item.

Saying i find Leg to be not op because i find i die a lot when in battle could just mean it takes more skill to play than a purely ranged class like mp.


Like i show in my stats [post 28] i don't think leg needs a nerf nor a buff but a change in stats may help mp shine a bit brighter.



I think the topic of Leg being to "op" is a very small one vs heroes like warden getting picked idk 20/1 vs ranger, senti and sentry.

I'm fine with warden being picked more often but i think when it's this bad something can be done.

[Lophorius]

So obviously everyone who plays legionnaire will say the legionnaire is not OP because that's a fact.

That's like 12 year olds point where he thinks he won the argument. "It's shit because I'm shit" or "it's good because I'm good"

If a player played [Both] Leg and Mp I would like to see that opinion more than just someone that has Leg.

It's like saying V-Daggers are not Op compared to Alia which is very hard to prove as they are not even the same type of item.

Saying i find Leg to be not op because i find i die a lot when in battle could just mean it takes more skill to play than a purely ranged class like mp.


Like i show in my stats [post 28] i don't think leg needs a nerf nor a buff but a change in stats may help mp shine a bit brighter.



I think the topic of Leg being to "op" is a very small one vs heroes like warden getting picked idk 20/1 vs ranger, senti and sentry.

I'm fine with warden being picked more often but i think when it's this bad something can be done.

you're trying to make someone else's argument look invalid by essentially calling them bad lol
besides i play mp as well and it is significantly easier to get kills by throwing than it is with legio

[DR.]

Calling everyone that has Leg [1 group] thinks only 1 way [So obviously everyone who plays legionnaire will say the legionnaire is not OP because that's a fact] is bs.