Why did Jean Badou bully Never

[Leques]

Why did Jean Badou bully Never, if he did not do that nordinvasion would have been more prosperious and living with many more people actively playing the mod,

i am actually really sad this tragedy happened, i lost the game i fell sort of inlove with, besides not looting ofcourse, that has many cool features that made the game feel cool thats cool bro.

Also i met hamster and i dont even know why i am naming his name, that did not even made sense honestly but back to the matter.
Jean should not have bullied never thats the point, he should have accepted the fact what never did and moved on with his bully attitude.
Now no one can actually enjoy nordinvasion what it used to be, now its just an empty void that never is gonna be filled.

R.i.P why is Jean a bully.

[Jean Badou]

How could I have missed that ? How could I have been bullying Never this whole time without noticing I could get an actual official warning for it ? I should have known the updated rules in 2025 saying that you can't warn other players about an individual who manipulated a minor and a former developer (aka Irish) for his own benefit, without even talking about stolen gear and leniency from admins.

Despite being really active at the time I got warned and banned, I never had anyone specifically telling me to stop doing those so called "negative comments".

Looking at the current state of the game, I see Never got what he wanted for the game about 3 years ago.

[Malong]

"Ever since Jean came back to the game, the mod has gotten a worse reputation." - Evildan, probably

[Hamsterino]

thanks for the shoutout

[Julia.]

How could I have missed that ? How could I have been bullying Never this whole time without noticing I could get an actual official warning for it ?
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Despite being really active at the time I got warned and banned, I never had anyone specifically telling me to stop doing those so called "negative comments".

[Jean Badou]

Spoiler

This is interesting, so let's start with the beginning shall we ?

Here's what I found on Wikipedia :

"Harassment covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior that demeans, humiliates, and intimidates a person."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment

I have never said anything in the first place that fits this description towards a SD member. I also strongly doubt anyone else ever got an official warning for this reason. If I do get a warning for that, then Never surely does too, and many other players should have gotten one as well for saying negative/sarcastic comments to any player because of their house membership. I have seen that happen towards Tricksters, DB, LR and even CN players in the past years. Have any of them gotten warned/banned for this ?
No.

Looking at the comments made next to the warning, you assumed I thought Never's punishment for stealing items from the VLKA bank was ineffective. I know for fact that he did have some items left on his account at the time he got it, but I also know that he sold multiple sets a few weeks (or months) before the reset, so he only had a fraction of what he still owned taken away from him. The real problem was the fact you didn't chose to ban him,  forcing him to make an appeal on forums, this isn't fair towards the community as I believe your current standing with that player influenced your decision. Why do I think so ? Here is some research I made on the forum.

Threads in "Unban requests" - Players who got banned for stealing items from another player, and these all got a full reset as well. I doubt any of these stole as many items as Never did.

https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=78877 - Nazgulus
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=73976 - Sandokan
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=45148 - Adi
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=48098 - LudaSium
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=47818 - DiscoPartyMan
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=46003 - MC_Zumma
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=41816 - Lethal

Report threads - Players who got reported for stealing items. All of those got a permanent ban as a punishment, and most of those also didn't steal as much as Never did.

https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=66245 - Geschmacksneutral
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=63565 - BroBandit
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=65175 - Wardain
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=59416 - BoS_Gman
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=63801 - Cycu_RG
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=59242 - Bartus
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=64899 - Manuira (I'm assuming he did get banned from ingame conversation, but that may not be true)

There were more threads I could also cite, but the point is I haven't seen any post about players who stole items getting away with just a mere account reset.

Justice and Fairness IS the concern of ALL of the community, if you want it to be at peace (or if you actually want a community in the game). Everyone should be treated equally, and this matter is the proof it isn't the case.

This is the reason I edited that little picture in my signature, because I will NOT be making an unban request as I would be acknowledging the ban I got for breaking no rule is justified.

Doing so, you lost someone who cared about the community, who was helping keeping it alive, and who knew more about the game than most players. And since you won't be admitting your mistakes (aka 5:16 PM is earlier than 5:15 PM), I doubt I'll ever play this mod (which I had a good time playing) again.

In a nutshell :

• Never gets a 100% account reset for stealing items from another player.
  
• I get a ban for criticizing your decision.
  

PS : I haven't mentioned the story around Hamster's ban (27th June 2024) in this post, but I did in the one before that. This alone should be a reason to have Never banned.
Two threads explaining that were deleted by the moderation team.

Glad you could read that till the end.
Farewell.

[Malong]

https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=59242 - Bartus

That was O'Bartus, his Irish brother.

[Julia.]

Spoiler

Spoiler

This is interesting, so let's start with the beginning shall we ?

Here's what I found on Wikipedia :

"Harassment covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior that demeans, humiliates, and intimidates a person."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment

I have never said anything in the first place that fits this description towards a SD member. I also strongly doubt anyone else ever got an official warning for this reason. If I do get a warning for that, then Never surely does too, and many other players should have gotten one as well for saying negative/sarcastic comments to any player because of their house membership. I have seen that happen towards Tricksters, DB, LR and even CN players in the past years. Have any of them gotten warned/banned for this ?
No.

Looking at the comments made next to the warning, you assumed I thought Never's punishment for stealing items from the VLKA bank was ineffective. I know for fact that he did have some items left on his account at the time he got it, but I also know that he sold multiple sets a few weeks (or months) before the reset, so he only had a fraction of what he still owned taken away from him. The real problem was the fact you didn't chose to ban him,  forcing him to make an appeal on forums, this isn't fair towards the community as I believe your current standing with that player influenced your decision. Why do I think so ? Here is some research I made on the forum.

Threads in "Unban requests" - Players who got banned for stealing items from another player, and these all got a full reset as well. I doubt any of these stole as many items as Never did.

https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=78877 - Nazgulus
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=73976 - Sandokan
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=45148 - Adi
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=48098 - LudaSium
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=47818 - DiscoPartyMan
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=46003 - MC_Zumma
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=41816 - Lethal

Report threads - Players who got reported for stealing items. All of those got a permanent ban as a punishment, and most of those also didn't steal as much as Never did.

https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=66245 - Geschmacksneutral
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=63565 - BroBandit
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=65175 - Wardain
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=59416 - BoS_Gman
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=63801 - Cycu_RG
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=59242 - Bartus
https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=64899 - Manuira (I'm assuming he did get banned from ingame conversation, but that may not be true)

There were more threads I could also cite, but the point is I haven't seen any post about players who stole items getting away with just a mere account reset.

Justice and Fairness IS the concern of ALL of the community, if you want it to be at peace (or if you actually want a community in the game). Everyone should be treated equally, and this matter is the proof it isn't the case.

This is the reason I edited that little picture in my signature, because I will NOT be making an unban request as I would be acknowledging the ban I got for breaking no rule is justified.

Doing so, you lost someone who cared about the community, who was helping keeping it alive, and who knew more about the game than most players. And since you won't be admitting your mistakes (aka 5:16 PM is earlier than 5:15 PM), I doubt I'll ever play this mod (which I had a good time playing) again.

In a nutshell :

• Never gets a 100% account reset for stealing items from another player.
  
• I get a ban for criticizing your decision.
  

PS : I haven't mentioned the story around Hamster's ban (27th June 2024) in this post, but I did in the one before that. This alone should be a reason to have Never banned.
Two threads explaining that were deleted by the moderation team.

Glad you could read that till the end.
Farewell.

Bans or resets are discussed within the dev-team / HA level and not a single-handed decision by myself.
Every case is different and I doubt you know the details of all the listed cases (or Nevers case).

Just following up with your quote:...
The next sentence in your source is "In the legal sense, these are behaviors that are disturbing, upsetting, or threatening to a person."
Your behaviour was upsetting to Never, who reported it and you were warned and then muted (well banned, because muting isn't possible on NI) for a week.
If you felt like his punishment was ineffective, you could have approached the devs or me privately rather than proceeding the way you did ingame.
Similarly, anyone can report disruptive behaviour or chatting so it can be dealt with and players asked to stop and then warned etc...