Stab while shielding

[Simpleton]

Afaik in a real shieldwall the shielders in the frontline did not only shield but used short swords to stab over and under the shield without taking the shield down. What I want with this thread is to discuss the place of this in NI and discuss the roll as a shielder, a roll  that gives less money and XP than for the rest of the team that get to slash/shoot and/or throw. At the same time those players wouldn´t last long without the shielders.

Shielding can at time be quite boring and gives only small rewards. Many players seem reluctant to shield and often the same players get to shield time after time especially on public servers.
The stab should only be possible with short and fast weapons i think so You have to choose carefully what equipment You bring in to the fight.


Is there a chance that a stab can be implemented for the shielders and/or give more glory and to the shielder profession?

[Ragnash]

The idea of a shield bash has been thrown around a few times. Don't know about a stab though.

[Punishment™]

Just give shielders more exp and gold for their effort.

Not more than the actuall slashers but they should be atleast given more then the standard assist xp and gold.

[Jalau]

Just give shielders more exp and gold for their effort.

Not more than the actuall slashers but they should be atleast given more then the standard assist xp and gold.

Yes and no..
The job for a shielder is very easy, you need just hold up your shield.. you can go afk etc. So there should not be more exp and gold! On the other side, shielders are very usefull for the team and if you dont go afk it can be often very boring! Most shielder dont go afk so they should be rewareded for this!
As you see there are 2 sides and let us discuss about it

[Swadius]

How would you do that so that it won't be gamed by people who aren't actually slashing?

As far as I'm concerned on public game, while the player who shield will not get much direct exp, they will see the later much more often than those who don't. Many public games go under quite fast because no one can, or, in most cases, is willing to shield. The fact that they consistently get themselves to the later waves ought to balance their over all exp and gold intake.

The job for a shielder is very easy, you need just hold up your shield.. you can go afk etc. So there should not be more exp and gold!

Are you saying that the repetitive and near skill-less action of slashing behind a shieldwall, and shooting into a crowd of nords is an action that deserves more? Anyone in the cade, including the shielder, has a pretty easy time taking out the nords.

It's not like the shielder isn't doing anything either. He has to be careful about his shield levels, be able to have enough foresight to pick up dropped shields if their shield is breaking, be able to pick up those shields which he cannot see due to the nords attacking his shield, and is the person most at risk of dying if they have anything less than a royal.

[Ragnash]

Nord Invasion is a team game. The idea is to have all 4 classes working together to stop the Nord threat. Each class plays a specific role, and within those classes there are specialist roles. A team needs to have all roles covered sufficiently if they want to beat the end boss. This is how the game works. Just like in life some roles are less glamorous than others but they are no less important. Yes, it is unfortunate that the same people are left shielding and shielders/healers get less xp. The hope is that the people don't get stuck doing these roles over and over, but sadly some do. Though being a 'good' shielder or healer in itself is something to strive for, as reputation in NI is worth a lot of missed XP in my opinion.

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[Jalau]

It is not the highest risk of dying, as an archer,  dlasher or xbow man you often get headshots! It's not very hard to shield in normal mode, and as an shielder until wave 8 in hardmode you also have no problems! But i agree with Ragnash

[Barristan]

Umm... sorta game breaking, so no. Commandoes would be invincible to everything that didn't have crush through.