(17-06-2019, 01:15 PM)Malong Wrote: I have no idea what you are trying to express. But anyway, you were clearly trying to poke holes in the idea, and would have gladly taken credit if your idea of not capping the damage based off remaining health was an implementation issue in the idea.
(04-05-2019, 05:19 PM)Woody Wrote: Damage taken (should of said bot here)
Damage received (should of said player here)
The idea is not new at all this is just the last time i have suggested it and it has been suggested before from me and others. This idea has been on peoples minds before this quest was even made. You are not the maker of this idea and I'm not either. It's so basic anyone would come up with it and claim they are the 1st to think about it.
From --> https://forum.nordinvasion.com/showthread.php?tid=71799
I would also give that a read as you say this
(04-05-2019, 04:00 PM)Malong Wrote: I think the quests should be left as is. People have completed them, so it's obviously not impossible. But also players consistently reference the mod not being "difficult," and yet the moment something is too "difficult" for them to complete, they lose interest or want the bar lowered. Well, fuck that. Those players got what you wanted. Maybe they should focus on these as goals instead of flexing about how they've completed other watered-down objectives. And just on principle, there should be consistent direction. There have been changes to move the goal posts farther rather than closer, so why implement something to make it less time consuming to complete (which doesn't even lower difficulty, but rather the time spent instead)?
(17-06-2019, 01:15 PM)Malong Wrote: You can't have it both ways of trying to discredit something based off misunderstanding the concept, but then simultaneously secretly understanding said concept fully. You didn't even understand that the idea was to change each quest completion point from 500 kills to deal the equivalent damage of the health of 500 of each bot. Stop. Freaking. Lying.
Ok, let me break down why I hoped you were talking about it being not capped.
(17-06-2019, 01:15 PM)Malong Wrote: It should be abundantly clear I am a min/maxer
Ok... So with this info, I'm sure, you hate runs going for longer than they need to?
For the people that don't understand this if it was wave 13 rag and i need "Siege Master".
Rather than killing the bot and moving on my aim would be to hit them all then come back and hit them again till they are dead. The idea of putting a cap on it puts a big reason to move to the next bot to get max damage. Not even killing the bot mind you.
If we apply this thinking to all bots the wave just got.
1. longer as people are spending more time trying to jump from bot to bot to get max damage for the quest.
2. harder as the bots have more time to do damage to the cades/shields
Giving you are a min/maxer im sure you would rather the system we have atm or even if it wasn't capped. It's that bad that i was thinking there would be no way he wants this when it goes against his values.
It does not solve the problem of "kill stealing" it just moves the problem to something else and i would say this. How big is the problem of "kill stealing" atm vs what you have suggested here?
Kill stealing is a problem just like how to double peeking is a problem may be to a lesser extent but i see them being related. You complain when it happens to you but you don't complain when you do it. A run getting harder and taking more time just from a quest i would say it a hell of a lot worse. To add as well this means some players will beat the quest faster when others will take even longer. Kill stealing is something we need to live with unless a better way is found. The idea of its now hp/damage related is not a better way it's different with its own problems and i would say what we have atm is far better.