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(12-11-2019, 03:53 AM)Malong Wrote: Ignoring the fact that you haven't demonstrated that any of those changes increased player base, please show us whenever any update you cite changed only one of those mechanics. Because if you took the few minutes to look, it's not any the last ten which spans September 2, 2018 to now. And are you seriously trying to push your dumb narrative that stat and map changes bring a significant number of people back again? We didn't believe it the first time, and we don't believe it now.

  1. 1.11.8: maps along with bug fixes
  2. 1.11.7: stats along with maps
  3. 1.11.6: no changes to stats, maps, nor upgrades
  4. 1.11.5: stats along with maps
  5. 1.11.4: stats along with maps
  6. 1.11.3: stats along with maps
  7. 1.11.2: stats along with maps
  8. 1.11.1: maps along with bug fixes
  9. 1.11.0: no changes to stats, maps, nor upgrades
  10. 1.10.3: maps along with bug fixes

This pic is from March 9th, 2018 given it shows data rather than "guessing".  This was probably the highest points in Ni in terms of player numbers. We had a lot of looting happing at the same time. Is the player numbers just from the looting or is it just from the updates? It's both and other stuff...

Looting is in infrequent but when it happens a lot by chance or by a posable change in drop rate people want to play more as they think they have a better chance. Basically, once the ball gets rolling it gets faster and faster till eventually flattens out from a case of boredom.

What I suggest is updates spike player numbers in turn pushing the "luck" up. The luck is superficial its just a matter of how many people are rolling the dice unless the drop rate really did change.  

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Quest Overhaul - Feb 16th
1.9.0 - March 1st
1.9.1 - March 2nd
1.9.2 - March 17th

Pic from here - March 9th, 2018




The last stats update was for me July 13th.

Ok, using the item thread we can get an idea of how many runs are being done. Not everyone uses it so it's not perfect but it will give us a basic idea.

July 6th - maybe afk loot
July 9th - 1 loot
July 10th - 1 loot
July 12th - 1 loot 
July 13th - 2 loots 
July 14th - 3 loots 
July 15th - 2 loots
July 16th - 1 loot 
July 17th - 1 and 1 afk loot
July 18th - 1
July 19th - 1
July 20th - 2s
July 21st - 5! (DB event) Just a week after the update.
July 22nd - 3s
...

(12-11-2019, 03:53 AM)Malong Wrote: The (currently still ongoing) Halloween event really increased the player base. Derp.

I'll do this for the Halloween 2019 event but I have my problems with it ill talk about later.

October 1st - 1 loot 
October 2nd - 1 loot 
October 17th - 2 loots 
October 19th - 2  loots
October 30th - 1 loot 
November 2nd - 3 loots
November 4th - 1 loot 
November 6th - 2 loots 
November 7th - 1 loot 
November 8th - afk loot 


It can be shown updates either being big or small they have an effect on the player base. Of course, it can't happen right away as it takes people time to see an update been pushed and it takes time to set up an event.


The currently still ongoing halloween event is different in what way to normal gameplay? That's partly why I think I and others have not played Ni in about a week. It's not that much rewarding over normal modes and its not changeling vs rag... It's just a skin with no real reason for players to do more than once. I didn't have time to do the halloween event last year but no wonder people aren't jumping on it it's just the same thing no?

I'm sure if we looked at double XP week or even the upcoming Xmas event and did this to them they will outperform this halloween in terms of people playing and in turn looting.   


(12-11-2019, 03:53 AM)Malong Wrote: As the leader of said house with events, it's because public servers leave much to be desired and we want to give ourselves the best chances to get loot. Are you really trying to tell me that my house plays for fun and challenge over loot? Because we fucking don't.


Citation needed. Meanwhile evidence of the opposite has happened where losing too much caused players to leave. People want loot before challenge. Here you go.

This was not focused on why you are the only one left more why others left. It's no secret the DB events were the most successful or at least the way they did them. 


Yes, you need to win some amount of your games for you to want to play those games. People argue about a % but I think it matters in what game you play. For any game, I would say you need to win at a minimum of 30% of the time to keep playing. For Ni how much is that minimum? More importantly what qualifies a win? I think most people say doing w15 is the win given its one of the only end goals in Ni. 

If I wanted to win all the time I would play normal or easy no? Why do you want to play rag when we don't need to? Normal and hard have stuff we can loot. Its all about the Risk/Reward Ratio. Rag has the best xp and the best gold but the loot is subjective in its cost. The only objective thing we can say without seeing drop rates is the loot on rag is harder to get. This is not even a factour people really think about anymore when pricing stuff because the market is flooded with duplicates and rag has become so easy it's not even worth saying. 

I can't find a study I like on risk/reward or other topics like it but im sure you could just look at the wiki if you really wanted to? Risk and Reward is fun otherwise we would be happy to play on normal and never move away from it once we got to a certain point. Yea, it's fun to go on normal to kite once every so often with a full set of upgraded gear but I don't see this as fun or even entertaining most of the time... Why would I?

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Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 10-11-2019, 01:10 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 10-11-2019, 02:02 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 10-11-2019, 03:03 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 10-11-2019, 03:36 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Fendi - 10-11-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 10-11-2019, 05:17 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Fendi - 10-11-2019, 10:09 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 10-11-2019, 11:39 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 11-11-2019, 05:24 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 11-11-2019, 01:59 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 11-11-2019, 04:00 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 11-11-2019, 07:08 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 12-11-2019, 03:13 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 03:53 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 12-11-2019, 05:52 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 06:59 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 12-11-2019, 09:38 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 03:44 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 05:07 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 06:25 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 12-11-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 06:33 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 12-11-2019, 06:41 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 06:52 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 12-11-2019, 07:00 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 07:03 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 07:39 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 08:35 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 12-11-2019, 10:12 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 13-11-2019, 03:00 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 13-11-2019, 04:28 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 13-11-2019, 04:42 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 14-11-2019, 03:46 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 11-11-2019, 06:15 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Forward - 11-11-2019, 10:49 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 12-11-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Berkay - 12-11-2019, 07:24 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 13-11-2019, 05:41 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 13-11-2019, 06:41 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by DR. - 13-11-2019, 07:39 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Terath - 13-11-2019, 07:00 AM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Xen - 13-11-2019, 05:25 PM
RE: Make toming safe after a prayer - by Malong - 14-11-2019, 04:57 AM



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