RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless.

[Hamsterino]

Zwei and Leg skill cap is higher.

I wouldn't say that. it's not as rewarding as zwei and legio, but the skill cap is only lower if you play RG the ''intended'' way of just shielding. if you're actually attacking stuff, it's the same I guess

All shields work the same its just a matter of how long they last so the inherent bonus of picking Rg can be completely negated by being active/switching shields/repairing shields. A Shield of Kings has Inherently the same "power" as Phoenix Shield the only benefit is lasting a bit longer so if you dont need the longer part whats the point?

Genuine question when was the last time you saw a Shield of Kings break on an active Rg with a good team?

well tbf, the only way to determine the power or strength of a shield is by how long it lasts. so as a consequence, the only advantage of a SoK over a phoenix shield is that it lasts longer. I agree that RG should have to repair shields or even lose one against w11 hard for example. a few days ago, we had a full hard server and our RG shielded all of w12 with a lute, and it didn't even break. I also noticed someone saying that they don't repair their shield(s) at all, instead they just wait for the next respawn wave because the shield will last no matter what. so, while giving RG another 2 shield skill technically made it stronger, it's not a good way to buff it, because that made it even easier/comfortable to leech, because there's no reason not to be tabbed out for 5mins. quoting stockfisch: ''I like RG cuz I can leech''

[Gore_Verbinski]

I would go for a drastic measure and just nerf most classes, right now with the legendary inflation and the utilities you can bring quite easily (strong barricades and tomes) there's 0 risk to wipe in the hardest content which is Ragnarok.

[DR.]

Zwei and Leg skill cap is higher.

I wouldn't say that. it's not as rewarding as zwei and legio, but the skill cap is only lower if you play RG the ''intended'' way of just shielding. if you're actually attacking stuff, it's the same I guess

At its core Leg has the ability to throw things which adds complexity and a new thing to master even more so you can kite with him

Zwei has a bigger Hp pool allowing him to play more aggressively and get away with things, while also having access to a sword that can do something unique to his class

Rg quite literally has nothing unique hes just better than tr4 in a basic way

Rg quite literally has nothing unique hes just better than tr4 in a basic way

This argument definitely can be applied to a 2 more classes being Warden and Mp

This thread shows a want for something more as they are fundamentally not that interesting compared to their counterparts given they can sort of do there job but they cant do there's

Warden is a 'boring' class

Like the difference between twigs and rups or typhoon and stag while good for a dps bump it lacks a difference in play style. The difference between mangler vs pike of kings is extreme and makes people go huh maybe I want to play halb just for that

Maybe some people dont want change but given the option I image a lot of people would want something more out of them that actually makes their game play unique

[Daedra]

If compared to other classes rg is not boring it's useless. Since people got enough cades and dps, they don't even care about rg at all(leaving gaps for rg) so i slash all the time instead of shielding. Something special for rg or increase some skills would be rly nice.

[Hamsterino]

true, there's nothing making RG special except for his shield, which is either useless because of OP cades and high dps of OP weapons or boring because it forces you to do nothing but hold RMB

[Stockfisch]

I agree with you that RG is a really boring class, even tho I think it can't be replaced with cades. The RG duty is not only blocking the nords, but getting the aggro from ranged so your team is free to move (just imgaine playing Hypers Hell withour RG). It also opens options for slashers which do important stuns and damage on the cades.
That's why I think it's more like a "support" class. I like the idea of Corndog, where RG gives any kind of area buff, with that it could be more usefull and contributing to the run.

[poxix]

I agree with you that RG is a really boring class, even tho I think it can't be replaced with cades. The RG duty is not only blocking the nords, but getting the aggro from ranged so your team is free to move (just imgaine playing Hypers Hell withour RG). It also opens options for slashers which do important stuns and damage on the cades.
That's why I think it's more like a "support" class. I like the idea of Corndog, where RG gives any kind of area buff, with that it could be more usefull and contributing to the run.

Oh yeah what about an AOE armor buff?

[Venom]

I agree with you that RG is a really boring class, even tho I think it can't be replaced with cades. The RG duty is not only blocking the nords, but getting the aggro from ranged so your team is free to move (just imgaine playing Hypers Hell withour RG). It also opens options for slashers which do important stuns and damage on the cades.
That's why I think it's more like a "support" class. I like the idea of Corndog, where RG gives any kind of area buff, with that it could be more usefull and contributing to the run.

Oh yeah what about an AOE armor buff?

thornmail from league of legends if u hit u taking damage

[Hamsterino]

thornmail from league of legends if u hit u taking damage

that'd be something for like CM, which deals a lot of dmg but takes dmg with every hit. RG is already ''bad'', no reason to make it even worse.

Oh yeah what about an AOE armor buff?

the problem with the general idea of giving RG a kind of AoE that buffs teammates is that it doesn't solve the issue of RG being too passive. it'd make it stronger, but it's just the same as before: standing there, filling a gap you'd have to use a cade for and holding RMB (now while buffing the team). tbh, it would probably make things worse overall, because the issue of op weapons and items would become even more of a problem.

[Leques]

RG is useless cause juggernaut can do all of that while fighting instead of 1 rg in the middle you can have 2 juggernauts hitting and blocking the way, and ofcourse there is cades, there is no reason for a royal guard in any case, even the shielding of a juggernaut is alone by itself able to block all waves, never had anyproblem even if i did that

also hamster has nightmares now, just a little FWY