RG is the most boring class maybe even pointless.

[DR.]

I will say I find it quite fascinating that pole is roughly 50/50 split in between don't change it at all vs do something in general

I wonder if admins can look at the pole see people that are afk more often in a certain category vs others just wondering

I'm not saying there's a correlation I'm just wondering if there is

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Okay now on topic of like getting buffs for the team there used to be an item ingame called the buff Banner? 

I'm not entirely sure hmm.. I'm pretty sure it was a Dev weapon you use to see ingame like 10-12 years ago my memory isn't great because I only saw it a few times in game? It was like something like a 10% damage bonus use to have red particles like healing I think maybe? 

So it's a thing that could be implemented in some form, however I'm not entirely sure if that's the correct way to go about giving RG a "use"

Maybe if it was only a melee increase in making runs split because if you have an RG on your team more people want to use melee and if you don't you cade off and everyone uses range 

I guess that's actually a very interesting idea because that would actually give a class like Ranger a bigger reason to use his new 1h skill on harder modes then normal

[Mercy]

Shield Skill is too high + The Bastard-Idea is kinda cool

RG is insanly boring as some (not calling out the specific house)-members show. They just stand afk.
Thor and Odin Waves (most of the time) dont break a Shield of Kings anymore, even if their minions hit it for minutes.
12 Shielding is too high, i liked 10, 11 is probably worth a try.

And as this thread is a good place for it:

Sorry for running out in some games and dying to minions, standing still is just not my playstyle sometimes (lol).

[Hamsterino]

Okay now on topic of like getting buffs for the team there used to be an item ingame called the buff Banner? 

I'm not entirely sure hmm.. I'm pretty sure it was a Dev weapon you use to see ingame like 10-12 years ago my memory isn't great because I only saw it a few times in game? It was like something like a 10% damage bonus use to have red particles like healing I think maybe? 

it's called the Champion's Standard, wasn't a dev item, but the reward for the last (2nd) house tournament (iirc). if it still exists, it's in the hands of FSA, but they're long gone, so the banner is too. yes, it buffed the damage and yes it had red particles.

So it's a thing that could be implemented in some form, however I'm not entirely sure if that's the correct way to go about giving RG a "use"

I mean, the problem is that the class is too passive, so giving it a passive ability might not be a good idea.

I guess that's actually a very interesting idea because that would actually give a class like Ranger a bigger reason to use his new 1h skill on harder modes then normal

the problem with that: slashing is already pretty op. I think people just don't realize how much damage a BH stinger really deals. but buffing melee means buffing everything melee, which includes pride, legacy and ironsong. further buffing those already way too strong items makes the power creep even worse.

[Leques]

Okay now on topic of like getting buffs for the team there used to be an item ingame called the buff Banner? 

I'm not entirely sure hmm.. I'm pretty sure it was a Dev weapon you use to see ingame like 10-12 years ago my memory isn't great because I only saw it a few times in game? It was like something like a 10% damage bonus use to have red particles like healing I think maybe? 

it's called the Champion's Standard, wasn't a dev item, but the reward for the last (2nd) house tournament (iirc). if it still exists, it's in the hands of FSA, but they're long gone, so the banner is too. yes, it buffed the damage and yes it had red particles.

So it's a thing that could be implemented in some form, however I'm not entirely sure if that's the correct way to go about giving RG a "use"

I mean, the problem is that the class is too passive, so giving it a passive ability might not be a good idea.

I guess that's actually a very interesting idea because that would actually give a class like Ranger a bigger reason to use his new 1h skill on harder modes then normal

the problem with that: slashing is already pretty op. I think people just don't realize how much damage a BH stinger really deals. but buffing melee means buffing everything melee, which includes pride, legacy and ironsong. further buffing those already way too strong items makes the power creep even worse.

Hamster i think you didnt think of ranged dont need to be near any enemy to take damage and melee does and it takes considerable more hits to kill 1 guy with melee then it does with ranged wich can machine gunn kill guys in a congaline, as melee it takes quite a bit of skill to fight 4 guys at once in ragnarok or even hard dependent on the wave, also so i have to remind you of your sleeping paralasys demon named my mom?

[DR.]

the problem with that: slashing is already pretty op. I think people just don't realize how much damage a BH stinger really deals. but buffing melee means buffing everything melee, which includes pride, legacy and ironsong. further buffing those already way too strong items makes the power creep even worse.

Ye I like my original Idea better for the reasons you have said but any change to rg at this point is better then no change in my eyes

The fact I've said to myself I'm making all heros now twice means I'm making rg again and I'll probably never use it when it's done if it stays how it is

There's potential to do something I don't care much for what it is just make it actually have a reason to exist for active players that actually are willing to repair shields and such at high investment

Currently it is the most useless class on my account other then Repeaterman but at least that comes from me just not liking his play style vs rg that's literally just a downgrade to my Zwei or Pavise in my eyes

[Hamsterino]

I think we're coming to the same conclusion as we already did on multiple occasions before: nerf players or buff nords, otherwise NI is just a casino with extra steps

[Leques]

I think we're coming to the same conclusion as we already did on multiple occasions before: nerf players or buff nords, otherwise NI is just a casino with extra steps

Atleast the casino always wins

[Jean Badou]

RG is only boring if you choose to play it in a boring way.

As someone who played RG long enough to complete both Rise from the Ashes and Rise from the Ashes II, I've never felt bored of that class. I've heard stuff like "RG can only shield" quite often, and to my ears, it sounds the same as saying "sentry cannot use bows", or "pavise can't use xbows".

I've had many occurrences when I was playing RG (and shielding) while having more kills than most players on the server.

[DR.]

RG is only boring if you choose to play it in a boring way.

As someone who played RG long enough to complete both Rise from the Ashes and Rise from the Ashes II, I've never felt bored of that class. I've heard stuff like "RG can only shield" quite often, and to my ears, it sounds the same as saying "sentry cannot use bows", or "pavise can't use xbows".

I've had many occurrences when I was playing RG (and shielding) while having more kills than most players on the server.

I agree with that as a Pavise using eagle with 300 ping that quite often almost top or top score with people in game using the best gear but as I said in my 1st post. Its not a matter of can't it's a matter of he doesn't excel versus his competition 

I was getting on top of the score board with 300 ping with tr4 sniper getting kills means nothing we talking about the class itself. A waste of 750k atm for me and probably a lot of people at this point with not much compelling reasons to make one at high investment as the class offers nothing unique. This isn't about how good your skills are with a class it's the fact Rg as a class actually has nothing to offer and is arguably badly designed vs his counterparts at this point for reasons Ive talked about 

There is Zwei, Leg, PC, Halb, Hoplite, Sentry, Ranger that all have arguably better capabilities in melee then RG. All of them at this point other then Sentry offer something other then that on-top of the class as well. Hoplite can shield, Ranger has "good" armour, Halb has good armour, etc

Pavise has the 2nd best 1h skill in the game + 2nd best shielding + can used things like Eagle and armour wise isn't that far behind Rg. On rag it's comparing a thing that will 2-3 hit you vs 4-5 is that small amount of armour really worth it when you consider how powerful all the tools Pc has?

It's like Leg has the best 1h skill in game 2nd best throwing and armour that's the same as Rg effectively being a variation that is lighter. If you are shielding as Leg and your shield doesn't break you are literally better then RG in massive ways. The times Rg is better is when your team is ass and I would argue you should probably just wipe at that point. Other is if you want to be afk and not take advantage of the fact you can repair shields

And you need to ask yourself how many runs at this point is RG actually going to be better in that scenario when I see the most ass teams clear at this point. Things that end runs are people not bulding cades it seems most of the time not the shields themselves going down..

RG in its current state for high investment players that are active in game is a complete joke